1 00:00:04,935 --> 00:00:06,523 [engine running] 2 00:00:06,937 --> 00:00:08,042 [beating] 3 00:00:08,077 --> 00:00:10,355 [man] Yes, it is appointment only. 4 00:00:13,944 --> 00:00:15,222 [interviewee] How are you feeling? 5 00:00:16,326 --> 00:00:18,535 Not so good as you look 6 00:00:18,570 --> 00:00:19,502 Jeez. 7 00:00:19,536 --> 00:00:22,194 [Johnny] You look like it Lex Luthor. 8 00:00:24,093 --> 00:00:27,027 The time is about 11:45. 9 00:00:30,099 --> 00:00:31,652 [interviewer] Johnny, we have a goal today. 10 00:00:31,686 --> 00:00:33,619 -What is it; -Before the journey ends, 11 00:00:33,654 --> 00:00:36,001 - Yes. - We will go up with a title for your film. 12 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:37,589 Wow, this will do be tough 13 00:00:37,623 --> 00:00:39,418 It will be fun. 14 00:00:39,453 --> 00:00:42,180 [Johnny] Well, I don't damn i have no idea 15 00:00:42,697 --> 00:00:44,734 No idea at all. 16 00:00:44,768 --> 00:00:45,873 [interviewer] Say that again? 17 00:00:45,907 --> 00:00:47,806 "Down and dirty." Isn't that all? 18 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,049 "Johnny Winter: Down and dirty?" 19 00:00:49,083 --> 00:00:50,809 Yes. This is it a wonderful name. 20 00:00:51,844 --> 00:00:53,846 Hello, Billy! 21 00:00:53,881 --> 00:00:56,056 - Are we leaving soon? -Yes. 22 00:00:56,090 --> 00:00:57,678 What, half an hour? 23 00:00:57,712 --> 00:01:00,370 ...I already told you. I know this. He told me. 24 00:01:00,853 --> 00:01:02,165 I said 12:30. 25 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,271 That is correct. he said about 20 minutes, right? 26 00:01:04,305 --> 00:01:05,617 What's up rocker? 27 00:01:06,963 --> 00:01:08,206 Hello. 28 00:01:09,172 --> 00:01:11,071 Hi Johnny, how are you doing 29 00:01:11,105 --> 00:01:13,728 What was one of the sentences about the title of the movie? 30 00:01:13,763 --> 00:01:17,007 I thought "Down and dirty" it was a good title. 31 00:01:17,042 --> 00:01:19,044 "Down and dirty: The Johnny Winter Story'. 32 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:20,563 -Yes. - It will be nice. 33 00:01:20,597 --> 00:01:22,289 It describes your life. 34 00:01:22,323 --> 00:01:24,084 Yes. It sure does. [laughs] 35 00:01:24,118 --> 00:01:26,396 - It's very nice. -"Down and dirty"... 36 00:01:28,122 --> 00:01:30,159 [laughs] 37 00:01:30,952 --> 00:01:33,300 Nope. Down and dirty. 38 00:01:34,128 --> 00:01:35,716 Let's listen your version. 39 00:01:36,682 --> 00:01:37,959 Down and dirty. 40 00:01:37,994 --> 00:01:39,409 Down and dirty! 41 00:01:41,101 --> 00:01:43,344 [Highway 61 Review] 42 00:03:28,967 --> 00:03:30,658 [birds chirping] 43 00:04:02,311 --> 00:04:03,484 [cough] 44 00:04:14,944 --> 00:04:16,428 [interviewer] Does it work? 45 00:04:16,463 --> 00:04:18,050 [Johnny] Yes, it is. 46 00:04:18,085 --> 00:04:19,638 [Cross Road Bluesplaying] 47 00:04:39,348 --> 00:04:40,763 [Johnny] This is so good. 48 00:04:42,972 --> 00:04:45,630 I couldn't believe it when I first heard Robert Johnson. 49 00:04:45,664 --> 00:04:48,426 No one could play slide so well 50 00:04:48,460 --> 00:04:51,429 I learned many things listening to his records. 51 00:04:52,844 --> 00:04:56,261 [play recordings] 52 00:04:56,296 --> 00:04:59,644 [singing along for recording] ♪ Save poor Bob if you please ♪ 53 00:05:02,716 --> 00:05:03,993 ♪ 54 00:05:06,616 --> 00:05:09,585 ♪ Try to highlight a route 55 00:05:16,799 --> 00:05:20,527 Cream made a version of it, but it was not almost as good. [laughs] 56 00:05:21,251 --> 00:05:22,598 It wasn't even close. 57 00:05:26,015 --> 00:05:26,981 ♪ 58 00:05:30,709 --> 00:05:34,610 Every blues player the world does Songs of Robert Johnson. 59 00:05:35,507 --> 00:05:36,957 He is simply the best. 60 00:05:38,234 --> 00:05:40,340 Eric Clapton loves him. 61 00:05:43,273 --> 00:05:45,862 You can't not love Robert Johnson. 62 00:05:45,897 --> 00:05:47,761 If you like the blues, you will like Robert. 63 00:05:52,662 --> 00:05:53,939 ♪ 64 00:06:18,999 --> 00:06:21,795 Come out here. I have something to show you 65 00:06:21,829 --> 00:06:23,417 Be right outside! 66 00:06:26,144 --> 00:06:27,179 Oh, isn't that nice? 67 00:06:27,214 --> 00:06:29,112 Mike got one and for you. 68 00:06:29,147 --> 00:06:31,529 It didn't take anything from me. I bought a whole bag... 69 00:06:31,563 --> 00:06:33,185 [engine running] 70 00:06:34,808 --> 00:06:36,119 Oh! Oh, great. 71 00:06:37,189 --> 00:06:38,363 Hello. 72 00:06:38,398 --> 00:06:39,606 hi how are you 73 00:06:40,192 --> 00:06:41,711 -This. -Yes. 74 00:06:43,368 --> 00:06:44,576 And do this. 75 00:06:46,060 --> 00:06:46,992 And do this. 76 00:06:49,995 --> 00:06:51,652 Is it possible or... 77 00:06:51,687 --> 00:06:53,067 - Yes, for sure. -Yes; 78 00:06:53,102 --> 00:06:54,414 -Yes. -This. 79 00:06:55,863 --> 00:06:57,934 This and do that. 80 00:06:59,004 --> 00:07:01,179 And do this. 81 00:07:01,213 --> 00:07:03,353 -Cheese; -Cheese. [laughs] 82 00:07:03,388 --> 00:07:04,734 [speaks french] 83 00:07:04,769 --> 00:07:07,357 -Maybe we'll meet again. -Well. 84 00:07:07,392 --> 00:07:09,221 Large. 85 00:07:09,256 --> 00:07:11,500 [interviewer] You think sometimes, people bring too many things to sign? 86 00:07:11,534 --> 00:07:12,915 Quite rightly, they do. 87 00:07:14,123 --> 00:07:17,471 -Okay, Johnny, for this hand, you can do it... -Okay. 88 00:07:17,506 --> 00:07:21,371 Um, with one hand or with both hands, how... 89 00:07:21,406 --> 00:07:22,752 did you feel better? 90 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,661 Okay, you can get up please, and we go for walks? 91 00:07:35,524 --> 00:07:37,111 Okay, I'll go with you. 92 00:07:37,146 --> 00:07:38,250 One... 93 00:07:38,768 --> 00:07:39,907 Two... 94 00:07:39,942 --> 00:07:40,805 Three... 95 00:07:41,357 --> 00:07:42,738 Four... 96 00:07:42,772 --> 00:07:43,704 Five... 97 00:07:44,740 --> 00:07:45,741 Okay. 98 00:07:47,363 --> 00:07:49,158 Perfect. 99 00:07:49,192 --> 00:07:52,092 -You have to stand stand up as long as you can. -Yes. 100 00:07:52,748 --> 00:07:53,783 Perfect. 101 00:07:56,199 --> 00:07:57,649 Well done. 102 00:07:57,684 --> 00:07:59,099 That's not too bad. 103 00:07:59,133 --> 00:08:03,103 If you try it everyday, that's how it goes better every day. 104 00:08:03,137 --> 00:08:04,829 Your muscles they are very short 105 00:08:04,863 --> 00:08:07,901 from standing in the... 106 00:08:07,935 --> 00:08:09,558 wrong position. 107 00:08:10,386 --> 00:08:12,492 Also much better for your lungs 108 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:15,633 to get more air in. 109 00:08:17,117 --> 00:08:19,706 [Paul] Your hands they are already bigger. Do you see it? 110 00:08:19,740 --> 00:08:23,226 Look at the muscles. look at the hand the right hand. 111 00:08:23,261 --> 00:08:25,332 It's wonderful. 112 00:08:25,366 --> 00:08:28,438 [Paul] This job it is more difficult then most, obviously, 113 00:08:28,473 --> 00:08:32,960 because that's where health is the subject and the subject of age, and all that, you know. 114 00:08:32,995 --> 00:08:36,792 I had a crystal ball in everyone's future. 115 00:08:36,826 --> 00:08:39,484 And what will they do? coping in life, 116 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:44,316 and insurance and health, way before my time. 117 00:08:44,351 --> 00:08:46,111 But it is very educational. 118 00:08:46,146 --> 00:08:49,736 The results of the aid someone who has given you so musically 119 00:08:50,357 --> 00:08:51,979 she is invaluable. 120 00:08:52,014 --> 00:08:55,673 To play with an artist that you have admired she is invaluable. 121 00:08:55,707 --> 00:08:58,261 And to help, as disgusting as it sounds, 122 00:08:58,296 --> 00:09:00,540 to help... a friend. 123 00:09:06,925 --> 00:09:08,375 You want me to fix this for you? 124 00:09:08,409 --> 00:09:09,721 Yes, come on here man 125 00:09:10,515 --> 00:09:12,552 Here, hold these pliers. 126 00:09:12,586 --> 00:09:14,933 ok here just grab it with a pair of pliers. 127 00:09:14,968 --> 00:09:16,521 Well. 128 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:18,109 Wait a minute. I can't take it. 129 00:09:18,143 --> 00:09:20,214 There you go. Okay, hold on that thing over there. 130 00:09:20,249 --> 00:09:21,353 Ok. 131 00:09:23,010 --> 00:09:24,425 Just stand there. 132 00:09:24,460 --> 00:09:27,187 [laughs] I'm not he stands here for a long time with this thing out here. 133 00:09:27,221 --> 00:09:30,673 [Scott] I've never been manager, but I could never manage johnny. 134 00:09:30,708 --> 00:09:32,917 I really couldn't. I couldn't do it why 135 00:09:32,951 --> 00:09:36,610 I don't have it, huh the plugin 136 00:09:36,645 --> 00:09:38,957 or patience at first, 137 00:09:38,992 --> 00:09:40,925 to get things started where they are now. 138 00:09:41,995 --> 00:09:43,065 ok, this should do it. 139 00:09:43,099 --> 00:09:44,929 - Get back on the bus. -Ok. 140 00:09:44,963 --> 00:09:46,240 Thank you. 141 00:09:46,275 --> 00:09:47,656 [laughs] 142 00:09:49,174 --> 00:09:51,280 This is my boss. 143 00:09:51,314 --> 00:09:53,834 [Scott] When we first met saw johnny when i started playing with Johnny, 144 00:09:53,869 --> 00:09:56,319 the drummer wanted to find out if she was okay to tour. 145 00:09:56,354 --> 00:09:58,839 It would be fine to go out and do a concert? Because... 146 00:09:58,874 --> 00:10:00,151 It didn't seem so good 147 00:10:00,185 --> 00:10:02,947 Johnny's weight was, I'd say it was £90. 148 00:10:03,913 --> 00:10:06,985 You know, it was... He wasn't good. 149 00:10:07,020 --> 00:10:09,367 Oh, it still was smoking cigarettes, still drinking 150 00:10:09,401 --> 00:10:11,783 Still in his legal drugs and all these things. 151 00:10:11,818 --> 00:10:15,062 It was hard to see him so why you liked the guy 152 00:10:15,097 --> 00:10:17,996 But we hoped if he could be brought from that, 153 00:10:18,031 --> 00:10:20,412 and slowly took off all this, 154 00:10:20,447 --> 00:10:22,345 would be the type it was old. 155 00:10:22,380 --> 00:10:24,002 We can take Archie back? 156 00:10:24,037 --> 00:10:25,866 oh yes you want some more Archie Bunker? 157 00:10:25,901 --> 00:10:26,971 Yes. 158 00:10:29,007 --> 00:10:30,595 I used to like it that show so much, 159 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:34,081 if it was on when i had to play, I wouldn't play until it was over. 160 00:10:36,256 --> 00:10:40,709 [Tommy] I met Johnny back in 1996, when he was with his old manager, 161 00:10:40,743 --> 00:10:42,503 and it was... It was heartbreaking. 162 00:10:42,538 --> 00:10:46,887 Johnny was walking skeleton, he... Incoherent, he could not speak. 163 00:10:46,922 --> 00:10:50,028 Well, be on your way with johnny now it's just... 164 00:10:51,409 --> 00:10:54,895 I lost a lot from bad things. I went inside at a wonderful time. 165 00:10:54,930 --> 00:10:57,104 ♪ [Johnny] Opposite The deep blue waters ♪ 166 00:10:57,139 --> 00:11:00,694 ♪ Live an old one German's daughter ♪ 167 00:11:00,729 --> 00:11:05,354 ♪ On the banks Of the old river Rhine ♪ 168 00:11:05,388 --> 00:11:11,601 ♪ Where I loved her And he left her But I can't forget her♪ 169 00:11:11,636 --> 00:11:15,157 ♪ She is my beautiful Fraulein 170 00:11:16,365 --> 00:11:18,539 Many people wonder, “What is the blues? 171 00:11:18,574 --> 00:11:21,715 I hear a lot of people who say, "The blues, the blues..." 172 00:11:21,750 --> 00:11:23,821 but i will tell you what is the blues 173 00:11:23,855 --> 00:11:26,133 When you're not he didn't get money 174 00:11:26,168 --> 00:11:28,549 you got the blues 175 00:11:28,584 --> 00:11:34,245 When you have no money to pay your house rent, you still have the blues 176 00:11:34,279 --> 00:11:36,903 A lot of people shouting for "I don't like no blues" 177 00:11:36,937 --> 00:11:38,698 but when you are not he didn't get money 178 00:11:38,732 --> 00:11:42,080 and you can't pay your house rent, and I can't buy you food, 179 00:11:42,115 --> 00:11:45,221 are you sure got the blues. 180 00:11:45,256 --> 00:11:48,500 [blues playing] 181 00:11:48,535 --> 00:11:52,228 [Johnny] My grandmother, had a guy who she was working in her yard 182 00:11:52,263 --> 00:11:53,851 and a maid who worked in her kitchen 183 00:11:53,885 --> 00:11:56,336 and they played the black station in Beaumont, 184 00:11:56,370 --> 00:11:58,096 KJAT. 185 00:11:58,131 --> 00:12:00,823 And so I began to listen on KJAT all the time. 186 00:12:00,858 --> 00:12:02,514 [interviewee] How did it sound? 187 00:12:02,549 --> 00:12:05,448 It was great music. I had never heard anything as before. 188 00:12:06,277 --> 00:12:07,485 I loved it. 189 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:09,590 [interviewer] So, what do you do? do you think he was attracted to you? 190 00:12:09,625 --> 00:12:13,491 I don't know what it was i felt Just the feelings. 191 00:12:14,595 --> 00:12:16,356 It was just great music. 192 00:12:16,390 --> 00:12:19,048 It really made me feel good hearing it. 193 00:12:19,083 --> 00:12:21,499 [Hoochie Coochie Manplaying] 194 00:12:27,436 --> 00:12:31,026 [Warren] I can't imagine how was it to hear these things 195 00:12:31,060 --> 00:12:35,755 before rock music where i grew up there was you know 196 00:12:35,789 --> 00:12:37,929 I have often thought how would it be 197 00:12:37,964 --> 00:12:41,484 to hear Smokestack Lightning come from the radio, 198 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:46,627 and the voice of Howlin' Wolf it just scares the hell out of me of all, you know? 199 00:12:46,662 --> 00:12:48,560 [ Smokestack Lightning playing] 200 00:12:58,501 --> 00:13:00,987 [Edgar] People have a tendency to look at the blues 201 00:13:01,021 --> 00:13:05,715 like something old, archaic, something you know it started a long time ago, 202 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:10,962 and it has already happened you know, forgetting who always had the blues, 203 00:13:10,997 --> 00:13:14,310 and continues to practice this profound influence, 204 00:13:14,345 --> 00:13:19,005 above all pop music that we hear today. 205 00:13:19,039 --> 00:13:22,042 [Joe Perry] Most of our music is directly based on the blues, 206 00:13:22,077 --> 00:13:24,873 where you can listen the real influences. 207 00:13:24,907 --> 00:13:29,601 And then there are other songs where you don't really hear the familiar chord changes. 208 00:13:29,636 --> 00:13:32,984 Um, but I know where did they come from you know 209 00:13:33,019 --> 00:13:35,090 I know who steal from 210 00:13:35,124 --> 00:13:37,161 [ Death Letter Blues playing] 211 00:13:51,382 --> 00:13:56,490 [Billy] Blues it was dovecote in different types of expressions. 212 00:13:56,525 --> 00:13:58,182 There's country blues, 213 00:13:58,216 --> 00:14:01,012 Chicago blues is when all the children of mississippi 214 00:14:01,047 --> 00:14:05,120 and louisiana guys, Texas guys, it's over in Chicago. 215 00:14:05,154 --> 00:14:08,192 The Texas Blues they weren't necessary electric. 216 00:14:08,226 --> 00:14:10,608 You had Mance Lipscomb, you had lightnin' hopkins 217 00:14:10,642 --> 00:14:15,578 You had so many children who was a minstrel from the road, way back. 218 00:14:15,613 --> 00:14:21,205 And then, of course, when you had the chance to connect things, 219 00:14:21,239 --> 00:14:23,966 it was simple warmer rod. 220 00:14:24,001 --> 00:14:25,968 [Let's Boogie] 221 00:14:29,282 --> 00:14:30,973 [Susan Tedeschi] When I was going in college, 222 00:14:31,008 --> 00:14:33,389 I started going in this record store, called 'The Stereo Jacks'. 223 00:14:33,424 --> 00:14:35,357 And I would spend about $200 in a moment. 224 00:14:35,391 --> 00:14:36,979 Go out with me all these files like, 225 00:14:37,014 --> 00:14:40,086 T-Bone Walker, Big Mama Thornton, and Coco Taylor, 226 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,399 and Etta James, and Freddie King, and Otis Rush. 227 00:14:43,434 --> 00:14:45,988 i was like, “Because I never did i know these people 228 00:14:46,023 --> 00:14:48,163 "And why aren't they playing? on the radio every day?' 229 00:14:48,197 --> 00:14:50,475 Because for me, this is powerful music. 230 00:14:51,373 --> 00:14:53,030 [tuning guitar] 231 00:14:59,864 --> 00:15:01,486 Damn, this is hard to tune in. 232 00:15:04,351 --> 00:15:05,663 The son of a bitch! 233 00:15:09,149 --> 00:15:10,495 That's pretty good. 234 00:15:12,221 --> 00:15:14,637 Oh, that's not so hard as it seemed would be done. 235 00:15:14,672 --> 00:15:17,468 -Ah, it will be a pain... -Ah, it will be difficult. 236 00:15:19,677 --> 00:15:21,437 ok where is my... 237 00:15:21,472 --> 00:15:22,611 Where is my stuff? 238 00:15:22,645 --> 00:15:25,269 -Here is your choice, here is your slide. -Well. 239 00:15:25,821 --> 00:15:27,064 Do your job. 240 00:15:36,038 --> 00:15:38,316 [Death Letterplay] 241 00:16:10,555 --> 00:16:13,179 [Edgar] Johnny and me started as children, 242 00:16:13,213 --> 00:16:16,354 playing the ukulele and singing Everly Brothers songs, 243 00:16:16,389 --> 00:16:19,806 like Wake Up Little Susie and Hey, Bird Dog. 244 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,190 [Johnny] My father was very musical. He sang and played the banjo and the saxophone. 245 00:16:24,224 --> 00:16:26,364 They would teach me songs from the 20s and 30s. 246 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:30,782 [Edgar] They quickly realized that Johnny and I were special. 247 00:16:30,817 --> 00:16:32,301 And they encouraged us. 248 00:16:32,336 --> 00:16:34,165 [Johnny] I was in the church choir. 249 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,202 I was kicked out because I was singing very loud 250 00:16:36,236 --> 00:16:39,377 and I said, “I don't sing too loud, those other fuckers they sing very quietly 251 00:16:39,412 --> 00:16:40,689 “that you cannot even to hear them". 252 00:16:41,379 --> 00:16:42,898 I gave up. 253 00:16:42,932 --> 00:16:44,417 [interviewer] How would you do describe your vision when was he a child 254 00:16:44,451 --> 00:16:45,935 What will... what could you see 255 00:16:45,970 --> 00:16:49,284 Well, I was legally blind. 256 00:16:49,318 --> 00:16:54,565 I had 2400 in one eye, and 2600 in the other eye. 257 00:16:54,599 --> 00:16:56,256 Hindsight was hindsight. 258 00:16:56,291 --> 00:16:58,362 [interviewer] You felt it the music was something where vision didn't matter? 259 00:16:58,396 --> 00:17:01,641 Of course not. It helps, actually. 260 00:17:01,675 --> 00:17:03,470 Your hearing is better. 261 00:17:03,505 --> 00:17:06,508 [Edgar] I think, if that was the case in any of our cases, 262 00:17:06,542 --> 00:17:08,544 where we were able to see 263 00:17:08,579 --> 00:17:11,996 and then suddenly we are deprived of sight, 264 00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:13,618 that would be it something more difficult to adapt 265 00:17:13,653 --> 00:17:15,482 but when you are born a special way 266 00:17:15,517 --> 00:17:18,865 you learn to see what you can't see. 267 00:17:18,899 --> 00:17:22,213 [interviewer] When was it? the first time you understood that you were different? 268 00:17:22,248 --> 00:17:25,872 Well, I guess probably, seven or eight. 269 00:17:25,906 --> 00:17:30,083 Someone in the neighborhood he said, "Aren't you blind?" and I said, "No, I'm not." 270 00:17:30,118 --> 00:17:32,913 Then I went home and asked my mother, "Hey mom, am I blind?" 271 00:17:32,948 --> 00:17:34,294 She said, “Yes. Yes, you are." 272 00:17:34,329 --> 00:17:36,469 I had never heard the word until then. 273 00:17:36,503 --> 00:17:39,920 I knew I didn't they look like anyone else. 274 00:17:39,955 --> 00:17:42,199 I just didn't know there was a word for it. 275 00:17:42,233 --> 00:17:44,201 [interviewee] How were you treated? 276 00:17:44,235 --> 00:17:48,653 Some kids didn't like it. Some kids just didn't like it because I was different. 277 00:17:48,688 --> 00:17:50,345 I got into fights. 278 00:17:50,379 --> 00:17:53,417 in elementary school, I got into a lot of fights. 279 00:17:53,451 --> 00:17:55,660 Someone would mind me, and I was hitting them. 280 00:17:55,695 --> 00:17:57,490 [interviewer] What did he do to them choose you, do you think? 281 00:17:57,524 --> 00:17:59,423 Oh, he's just crazy. It's stupid. 282 00:17:59,457 --> 00:18:01,908 Just because you are different color, they don't like it. 283 00:18:01,942 --> 00:18:03,668 They don't like it black people because they are black. 284 00:18:03,703 --> 00:18:05,705 They didn't like me because I was too white. 285 00:18:06,533 --> 00:18:08,225 It's just stupid. 286 00:18:08,259 --> 00:18:09,950 I've never been able to figure it out. 287 00:18:09,985 --> 00:18:11,228 [blues playing] 288 00:18:11,262 --> 00:18:13,782 [TV Host] Okay, let's go back in our history. 289 00:18:14,576 --> 00:18:15,991 where were we 290 00:18:16,025 --> 00:18:19,719 You were in a black club, to where? 291 00:18:19,753 --> 00:18:20,858 In Beaumont, Texas. 292 00:18:20,892 --> 00:18:22,584 - Beaumont, Texas. -Club Raven. 293 00:18:22,618 --> 00:18:26,381 Johnny and some of his friends came in and said, "Let me play, let me play." 294 00:18:26,415 --> 00:18:29,556 This is true. Johnny, he sent someone and... 295 00:18:29,591 --> 00:18:33,319 Well, he's kind of shy, stayed in the background, and the guy said, 296 00:18:33,353 --> 00:18:38,634 "Johnny would like to play." So, I told myself, "No... I wouldn't like that." 297 00:18:38,669 --> 00:18:41,154 And then I started thinking about it. 298 00:18:41,189 --> 00:18:43,018 First I asked, "Can he play?" 299 00:18:43,052 --> 00:18:44,778 He said, "Oh yes, can play." 300 00:18:44,813 --> 00:18:47,505 And I started to think about it, I said, “Indeed you don't want him sitting in" 301 00:18:47,540 --> 00:18:49,783 because normally I don't leave anyone sit inside 302 00:18:49,818 --> 00:18:52,096 unless I really know them and they know what they are doing. 303 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:55,306 Then I started thinking to myself “Now that's a guy this is white. 304 00:18:55,341 --> 00:18:59,621 “If I was in a white club and I wanted to sit and they won't let me sit, 305 00:18:59,655 --> 00:19:02,244 “I might think about it they do because I'm black." 306 00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:05,558 And I said, “Now, he will you think i do because he's white." 307 00:19:05,592 --> 00:19:08,388 Well, finally me I thought to myself, 308 00:19:08,423 --> 00:19:10,218 and I said to the children, well, 309 00:19:10,252 --> 00:19:13,669 “I have a guy, I'll leave him sit down man', but I said, "You can play a number." 310 00:19:13,704 --> 00:19:15,154 [everyone laughs] 311 00:19:15,188 --> 00:19:16,741 [TV presenter] How did it go? 312 00:19:16,776 --> 00:19:20,469 Fantastic. came in, and the people gave him a round of applause. 313 00:19:20,504 --> 00:19:22,885 -A standing ovation? - They never gave it to me. 314 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,578 - Much more reason not to let him play. -So I said, "Play some more." 315 00:19:25,612 --> 00:19:27,269 [both laugh] 316 00:19:27,304 --> 00:19:29,306 - How old were you? - I was about 17. 317 00:19:29,340 --> 00:19:32,447 - Indeed, it can they have a photo. -Here it is. 318 00:19:32,481 --> 00:19:34,932 -[BB. King] Here we are! -[TV Host] Do you believe it? 319 00:19:34,966 --> 00:19:38,211 [Billy Gibbons] I remember him when he was Johnny "Cool Daddy" Winter. 320 00:19:38,246 --> 00:19:43,458 Some of the early records which were regional hits around the gulf coast... 321 00:19:44,735 --> 00:19:46,150 Johnny was a giant. 322 00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:48,325 [Hey Hey Hey Hey Playing] 323 00:19:53,226 --> 00:19:55,263 [Billy] For those who i may not know 324 00:19:55,297 --> 00:19:57,886 of pre-Columbia traffic record days, 325 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,303 Johnny had made a string from very popular numbers, 326 00:20:01,338 --> 00:20:04,341 that you can still find, eh... 327 00:20:04,375 --> 00:20:05,894 I have to dig deep in the log box, 328 00:20:05,928 --> 00:20:09,553 and you will find a Johnny "Cool Daddy" Winter; registration in there. 329 00:20:09,587 --> 00:20:11,796 [ That's What Love Does playing] 330 00:20:21,772 --> 00:20:23,877 [radio jockey] Okay, Johnny, why don't you? Give me some songs? 331 00:20:23,912 --> 00:20:26,397 Let's see if we can throw in a few songs here and there can we start talking 332 00:20:26,432 --> 00:20:28,434 [Johnny] How about, By Le Ton Son Ton Clifton Chenier. 333 00:20:28,468 --> 00:20:30,090 Groaning the Blues, Otis Rush. 334 00:20:30,125 --> 00:20:32,231 Beloved Man by Muddy Waters. 335 00:20:32,265 --> 00:20:34,440 I got this when I go through by Memphis Slim. 336 00:20:34,474 --> 00:20:37,477 Eh... Travelin' Mood, Hey Willie Wayne. 337 00:20:37,512 --> 00:20:41,274 Johnny, you win to Wee Willie Wayne. SMALLISH; 338 00:20:41,309 --> 00:20:43,069 -Yes. -Yes. You win. 339 00:20:43,103 --> 00:20:44,277 [laughs] 340 00:20:44,312 --> 00:20:45,278 No Wee Willie. 341 00:20:45,313 --> 00:20:46,659 Not Willie Wayne. 342 00:20:46,693 --> 00:20:49,282 I'm not even sure Have I ever heard of Wee Willie. 343 00:20:49,317 --> 00:20:51,111 It must have been one of them Texas stuff. 344 00:20:51,146 --> 00:20:53,286 ♪ I feel kind of sad And lonely 345 00:20:53,321 --> 00:20:55,978 ♪ I lost my sweet One and only ♪ 346 00:20:56,013 --> 00:20:57,842 Oh, I know that tune. 347 00:20:57,877 --> 00:21:00,776 OK, we're recording. Let's see if we can fix this magic happens bro. 348 00:21:00,811 --> 00:21:02,122 Ok. 349 00:21:02,157 --> 00:21:03,538 Good morning. My name is Bill Wax, 350 00:21:03,572 --> 00:21:07,335 and my guest with me today, it is the wonderful Johnny Winter. 351 00:21:07,369 --> 00:21:08,750 Johnny, how are you today? 352 00:21:08,784 --> 00:21:09,923 Very good, Bill. 353 00:21:09,958 --> 00:21:10,855 It's good to see you again 354 00:21:10,890 --> 00:21:12,547 Yes, it's great to return to DC. 355 00:21:12,581 --> 00:21:14,825 And you're looking for... Every time you enter, 356 00:21:14,859 --> 00:21:17,103 looks like you have he became younger and is improving. 357 00:21:17,137 --> 00:21:18,898 I don't understand how do you do it 358 00:21:18,932 --> 00:21:21,487 Everyone else I know, we are getting old and we look like plums. 359 00:21:21,521 --> 00:21:23,627 -What are you doing? -I have a picture in my closet. 360 00:21:24,835 --> 00:21:26,733 Aging image and I'm getting younger. 361 00:21:26,768 --> 00:21:32,291 see. Well, you know as long as no one gets their hands in this picture. 362 00:21:32,325 --> 00:21:33,982 Well, you look great, and you sound great. 363 00:21:34,016 --> 00:21:37,123 Well, we have a bunch of melodies, some of your favorites. 364 00:21:37,157 --> 00:21:38,573 You are a big fan of Lazy Leicester. 365 00:21:38,607 --> 00:21:40,816 She was listening to him. Did you know Lazy at all? 366 00:21:40,851 --> 00:21:43,578 Yes, I would tell you the story about when we went to Crawley, 367 00:21:43,612 --> 00:21:46,201 Jay Miller's studio, where they recorded Lightnin' Slim, 368 00:21:46,235 --> 00:21:49,308 Slim Harpo, and the lonely sunset, and all these people. 369 00:21:49,342 --> 00:21:54,243 And Leicester would play on one of my records. I was about 17. 370 00:21:54,278 --> 00:21:55,969 And he was in prison for drunkenness. 371 00:21:56,004 --> 00:21:57,833 We had to bail him out out of prison. 372 00:21:57,868 --> 00:22:00,802 And it just came in the studio, he said, “Do you want to see a trick? 373 00:22:00,836 --> 00:22:02,493 "Gimme a quarter." 374 00:22:02,528 --> 00:22:06,083 I gave him a quarter. He put it in the coke machine and bought himself a coke. 375 00:22:06,117 --> 00:22:09,500 The trick was to trick me to buy him a coke. 376 00:22:09,535 --> 00:22:10,812 It was fun to play with him? 377 00:22:10,846 --> 00:22:12,607 It was a lot of fun. I've always liked Leicester. 378 00:22:12,641 --> 00:22:15,851 And then you got an Otis Rush cut? You want Play Double Trouble? 379 00:22:15,886 --> 00:22:18,544 - That was... -Have you ever played? with Otis? 380 00:22:18,578 --> 00:22:20,511 I think I played with him once. 381 00:22:20,546 --> 00:22:22,202 I wanted to produce Otis, 382 00:22:22,237 --> 00:22:25,102 but i talked to him and it was a lot uncooperative. 383 00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:27,415 He said “I don't care how does it sound I just want the money." 384 00:22:27,449 --> 00:22:29,934 oh well we'll just skip it. 385 00:22:29,969 --> 00:22:32,109 [everyone laughs] 386 00:22:32,143 --> 00:22:34,629 [Bill] The first interview I ever made out with Johnny, 387 00:22:34,663 --> 00:22:36,941 where is it now six years ago... seven years ago, 388 00:22:36,976 --> 00:22:39,841 Johnny was just coming out of his old administration. 389 00:22:39,875 --> 00:22:42,602 Paul had just somehow, working with him. 390 00:22:42,637 --> 00:22:44,777 So bring Johnny in, and really 391 00:22:44,811 --> 00:22:48,988 Johnny was still more or less doped up and everything else, 392 00:22:49,022 --> 00:22:52,578 and so, we did this interview where each answer it was a word. 393 00:22:52,612 --> 00:22:56,547 Yes. No. Yes. No. 394 00:22:56,582 --> 00:22:58,480 i went home and said to my wife, 395 00:22:58,515 --> 00:23:03,416 “Boy, I don't know. That was it a bit scary, this interview with Johnny Winter, why, 396 00:23:03,451 --> 00:23:05,901 “I couldn't even say it if Johnny understood 397 00:23:05,936 --> 00:23:08,041 “what I was saying to him, or anything else.' 398 00:23:08,076 --> 00:23:11,528 So I called Paul and said, "Paul, I had a great time. Johnny is always welcome, but 399 00:23:11,562 --> 00:23:15,980 “I cannot give this interview in the air, because Johnny's far from it." 400 00:23:16,015 --> 00:23:18,811 But lo, the second year walked in 401 00:23:18,845 --> 00:23:21,296 Johnny replied in sentences. 402 00:23:21,330 --> 00:23:25,645 The third year he entered, Johnny replied in paragraphs. 403 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,338 By the fourth year he entered, Johnny used to tell stories, 404 00:23:29,373 --> 00:23:34,274 and had full memory, and he was lying and having fun. 405 00:23:34,309 --> 00:23:37,657 And it's amazing to see Johnny today. 406 00:23:37,692 --> 00:23:39,935 [Double Trouble] 407 00:24:01,957 --> 00:24:03,580 ♪ 408 00:24:19,596 --> 00:24:20,735 There you go. 409 00:24:32,229 --> 00:24:35,094 [interviewer] You get the guitar why? What did you hear? 410 00:24:35,128 --> 00:24:36,647 Chuck Berry. 411 00:24:36,682 --> 00:24:38,960 About. It made me i want to play guitar 412 00:24:38,994 --> 00:24:40,893 [interviewee] What do you think? are you so well 413 00:24:40,927 --> 00:24:42,860 Lots of practice. 414 00:24:42,895 --> 00:24:46,277 Even practicing for six hours a day sometimes when I first started. 415 00:24:49,453 --> 00:24:51,938 It was something really wanted to do, too. 416 00:24:51,973 --> 00:24:54,769 I really was obsess over it when I first started. 417 00:24:54,803 --> 00:24:57,047 [interviewer] How much more the thumb pick? Where did this come from? 418 00:24:57,081 --> 00:25:00,084 Well, Luther Nally he taught me how to play with a thumb pick. 419 00:25:01,189 --> 00:25:02,742 He was playing with me a thumb option. 420 00:25:02,777 --> 00:25:04,641 Well, I just when he taught me how to play 421 00:25:04,675 --> 00:25:06,539 I can't even play with a flat option. 422 00:25:06,574 --> 00:25:08,265 [Luther] When he... 423 00:25:08,299 --> 00:25:12,165 Johnny was taking over lessons, I would show him things like... 424 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,857 [playing guitar] 425 00:25:16,998 --> 00:25:19,276 You know, honky-tonk, and things like that. 426 00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:21,658 They used a thumb pick, eh... 427 00:25:21,692 --> 00:25:23,798 [playing guitar] 428 00:25:31,391 --> 00:25:34,463 You play the beat and the melody at the same time. 429 00:25:34,498 --> 00:25:36,051 Johnny could do it. 430 00:25:36,086 --> 00:25:37,984 [Johnny] Edgar was playing guitar too. 431 00:25:38,019 --> 00:25:40,642 And for a while, I had both at the same time. 432 00:25:40,677 --> 00:25:42,955 And I would show him things we could play together 433 00:25:42,989 --> 00:25:46,130 The music was everything... what was johnny you know 434 00:25:46,165 --> 00:25:48,857 He just lived and breathed that guitar 435 00:25:48,892 --> 00:25:52,585 Yes, at some point, I ran out of stuff to show him. 436 00:25:52,620 --> 00:25:56,209 Because, you know, would just do absorb everything. 437 00:25:56,244 --> 00:25:58,487 Like a sponge. 438 00:25:58,522 --> 00:26:02,802 that I would show him and I said, "Oh my God, what to... 439 00:26:02,837 --> 00:26:05,529 "What am I going to do? to do with him today?' 440 00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:06,910 [interviewee] Where did he do it? Firebirds come from? 441 00:26:06,944 --> 00:26:09,602 Oh, it came from Ed Seelig in Saint Louis. 442 00:26:09,637 --> 00:26:10,983 [interviewee] No, I mean, for you. 443 00:26:11,017 --> 00:26:12,916 In general, such as how did you get stuck in Firebird? 444 00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:15,815 Well, by Ed Seelig in Saint Louis. [laughs] 445 00:26:15,850 --> 00:26:20,786 He got me one, and I thought it looked nice, sounded nice, played well. 446 00:26:20,820 --> 00:26:24,030 So I bought it. $225. 447 00:26:25,549 --> 00:26:26,826 [interviewee] What was that? 448 00:26:27,378 --> 00:26:28,517 This. 449 00:26:28,552 --> 00:26:30,105 - You bought this for $225? -Yes. 450 00:26:30,554 --> 00:26:31,693 He sure did. 451 00:26:32,901 --> 00:26:35,041 That's all it cost me then. 452 00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:38,562 From personal experience. It was 1970. 453 00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:41,876 Although this is the most beautiful guitar i have ever seen 454 00:26:41,910 --> 00:26:44,154 [Murdering Bluesplaying] 455 00:27:18,602 --> 00:27:20,121 I like to play the guitar. 456 00:27:21,709 --> 00:27:24,746 It's the only thing I have never really he was great at. [laughs] 457 00:27:25,609 --> 00:27:28,405 [ Tribute to Muddyplaying] 458 00:27:56,882 --> 00:27:59,781 I found another there, with the Cohens. 459 00:27:59,816 --> 00:28:03,854 I wrote it in 1976. 460 00:28:03,889 --> 00:28:06,685 When I bought these coins for Edwina. 461 00:28:06,719 --> 00:28:11,586 And I paid $6,650 for them. 462 00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:15,624 And today, they are worth it $87,000. 463 00:28:15,659 --> 00:28:17,696 [Johnny] Wow! This is it very good return. 464 00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:18,973 This is very good. 465 00:28:20,353 --> 00:28:21,665 what are you doing 466 00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:23,253 [everything talks] 467 00:28:24,323 --> 00:28:26,359 [ Tribute to Muddy continues to play] 468 00:28:46,241 --> 00:28:47,829 ♪ 469 00:28:50,694 --> 00:28:51,971 It's like was it old 470 00:28:52,661 --> 00:28:53,801 No. 471 00:28:55,147 --> 00:28:56,217 No, it isn't. 472 00:28:56,251 --> 00:28:58,944 Looks like one of those banned from communities now. 473 00:28:58,978 --> 00:29:01,256 This has always been the case nice for work 474 00:29:02,533 --> 00:29:04,190 Is this your house? 475 00:29:04,225 --> 00:29:05,260 - Amazing success. -Where; 476 00:29:05,295 --> 00:29:08,056 Right there. The veranda with the cradle still on him. 477 00:29:08,091 --> 00:29:10,024 -Ah, it looks different. -I'll knock on the door. Patience. 478 00:29:10,058 --> 00:29:12,785 Nope I want to enter. 479 00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:16,133 [Johnny] That sure seems like it differently. I wouldn't do it even recognize it. 480 00:29:16,168 --> 00:29:17,721 [man] What color was it old 481 00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:18,964 [Johnny] White. The color was white at first. 482 00:29:18,998 --> 00:29:20,897 It almost makes me i want to cry 483 00:29:20,931 --> 00:29:23,382 It seemed like a lot I don't want to ask do it 484 00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:26,005 It is very sad. 485 00:29:26,868 --> 00:29:28,352 [women speak] 486 00:29:28,387 --> 00:29:29,802 [dog barking] 487 00:29:34,393 --> 00:29:38,017 I spent my entire total the first part of my life here. 488 00:29:38,052 --> 00:29:40,019 Not even look the same 489 00:29:40,054 --> 00:29:43,195 Yes, the fence is not up now, everything is open. 490 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,922 [dog barking] 491 00:29:49,615 --> 00:29:52,998 The owner wants to say hello He is dying to meet you. 492 00:29:53,032 --> 00:29:54,862 - He's coming here. -Okay, sure. 493 00:29:56,484 --> 00:29:58,279 She looks nice lady. 494 00:29:58,313 --> 00:30:00,212 - Hi, how are you? - Hi, what are you doing? 495 00:30:00,246 --> 00:30:02,490 -Nice to meet you. - I'm glad to meet you too. 496 00:30:02,524 --> 00:30:04,043 Nice to meet you. 497 00:30:04,078 --> 00:30:05,976 So you are more welcome if you want to enter. 498 00:30:06,011 --> 00:30:07,391 I think it will be very sad. 499 00:30:07,426 --> 00:30:10,636 Do you think it would be? I totally understand. 500 00:30:10,670 --> 00:30:12,362 - I just can't... -Ow. 501 00:30:12,396 --> 00:30:14,364 Well, thank you for offer to let me in 502 00:30:14,398 --> 00:30:17,332 No problem. I'm really fair excited to meet you. 503 00:30:17,367 --> 00:30:19,852 I have two children. I have a 12 year old son, 504 00:30:19,887 --> 00:30:21,509 and a 9-year-old daughter, 505 00:30:21,543 --> 00:30:25,547 and we have a games room, and things that we have up 506 00:30:25,582 --> 00:30:27,618 -And, but we... -That's where we used to be to practice. 507 00:30:27,653 --> 00:30:30,587 It's all there your music was, and we said if these walls could talk 508 00:30:30,621 --> 00:30:36,041 what they could tell us for you and your brother, and all the music. 509 00:30:36,075 --> 00:30:38,837 - Well... -There were wonderful moments in that house. 510 00:30:38,871 --> 00:30:42,875 Well, I'm just excited to meet you and I would i like to take photo. 511 00:30:42,910 --> 00:30:45,533 -Sure. - It's okay if I went inside take my camera? 512 00:30:45,567 --> 00:30:47,466 Turn around. 513 00:30:50,469 --> 00:30:53,334 I am so excited. I can't wait to say my husband 514 00:30:53,368 --> 00:30:54,853 Look here, Johnny. 515 00:30:54,887 --> 00:30:56,268 Yes! 516 00:30:58,891 --> 00:31:00,168 Perfect. 517 00:31:02,412 --> 00:31:05,484 It was nice meeting everyone. Thank you. 518 00:31:11,939 --> 00:31:16,081 [Johnny] Oh, that was so sad, I hated it. I hated it. 519 00:31:16,633 --> 00:31:18,048 Well, you know... 520 00:31:20,464 --> 00:31:23,019 Oh, that was so sad. 521 00:31:23,053 --> 00:31:24,744 Not even go inside 522 00:31:24,779 --> 00:31:26,677 No, it was so sad just by looking at it. 523 00:31:26,712 --> 00:31:29,611 Hi, but that's nice to know there are some nice people living there. 524 00:31:29,646 --> 00:31:31,234 Oh, yes. That's cool. 525 00:31:31,268 --> 00:31:33,753 At least they like it there. 526 00:31:33,788 --> 00:31:36,273 It made me want to cry. I almost cried. 527 00:31:36,825 --> 00:31:38,206 It does not matter. 528 00:31:39,621 --> 00:31:41,209 Sometimes that helps. 529 00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:45,869 -What a high school did you go to - Beaumont High. 530 00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:48,147 - Central High? - Now it's called Central High. 531 00:31:48,182 --> 00:31:49,942 It's not even Beaumont High school yet? 532 00:31:49,977 --> 00:31:51,530 It's called Central High. 533 00:31:51,564 --> 00:31:53,118 Nondescript. 534 00:31:53,152 --> 00:31:56,155 We had assembly there. I sang Cherry Pie. 535 00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:58,330 I sang, "Gimme, Gimme, give me some, i want some cherry pie". 536 00:31:58,364 --> 00:32:00,953 and they pulled the curtain. 537 00:32:00,988 --> 00:32:02,196 [laughter] 538 00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:04,405 They pulled it curtain on us. [laughs] 539 00:32:05,785 --> 00:32:08,271 [Rock and Rollplay] 540 00:32:29,361 --> 00:32:30,741 ♪ 541 00:32:51,176 --> 00:32:52,625 ♪ 542 00:33:09,332 --> 00:33:11,506 [Johnny] I think it was in December '68, 543 00:33:11,541 --> 00:33:13,474 the Rolling Stone article came out 544 00:33:13,508 --> 00:33:17,236 And suddenly, everything simple completely changed. 545 00:33:17,271 --> 00:33:20,274 I felt like I should have read it a thousand times. 546 00:33:26,556 --> 00:33:29,524 Everyone was making about $50 a week at that time. 547 00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:35,047 And I was making like $150, $200 a week, playing in nightclubs. 548 00:33:35,082 --> 00:33:36,600 But when we started doing the blues 549 00:33:36,635 --> 00:33:38,637 we couldn't fix almost as much money in it. 550 00:33:38,671 --> 00:33:41,157 [Tommy] Uncle John and me they slept on the floors, 551 00:33:41,191 --> 00:33:43,124 and we weren't making no money at all. 552 00:33:43,159 --> 00:33:46,714 I remember Uncle John too used to go down to space fried chicken, 553 00:33:46,748 --> 00:33:49,061 and get the fried batter. 554 00:33:49,096 --> 00:33:51,926 They put it in paper bags for us. 555 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,824 And we would take it home and eat it. 556 00:33:53,859 --> 00:33:55,309 That's all we had. 557 00:33:55,343 --> 00:33:58,139 The article is out, and everything completely changed. 558 00:33:58,174 --> 00:34:00,866 People were calling me from both coasts, 559 00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:02,488 Steve Paul called me from New York, 560 00:34:02,523 --> 00:34:04,352 and wanted to get off and meet me. 561 00:34:04,939 --> 00:34:06,458 And I said "Sure." 562 00:34:06,492 --> 00:34:09,771 Elektriki wanted us, The Atlantic wanted us, Colombia wanted us. 563 00:34:09,806 --> 00:34:12,602 Steve just made up his mind Colombia would be the best deal. 564 00:34:12,636 --> 00:34:16,295 [Clive] I would say that Johnny got a really good deal, 565 00:34:16,330 --> 00:34:20,575 higher than the norm at the time, no doubt. 566 00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:25,235 Definitely believed by me that it wouldn't be a one hit wonder. 567 00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:27,375 There were no hits to talk about. 568 00:34:27,410 --> 00:34:32,380 The hit... The criterion of successes did not apply in this case. 569 00:34:32,415 --> 00:34:37,385 What we had here he was a dazzling virtuoso of guitars, 570 00:34:37,420 --> 00:34:39,732 with a unique story to say 571 00:34:39,767 --> 00:34:41,493 Definitely a unique look. 572 00:34:41,527 --> 00:34:44,599 I was very proud, i remember to sign Johnny. 573 00:34:44,634 --> 00:34:48,707 He said he was the biggest deal from that point, 574 00:34:48,741 --> 00:34:50,088 that anyone had. 575 00:34:50,122 --> 00:34:51,848 I hated being publicized in this, 576 00:34:51,882 --> 00:34:54,713 because he just put more pressure on me to sell records. 577 00:34:54,747 --> 00:34:58,682 Uncle John and me fill in everything in a foot locker. 578 00:34:59,649 --> 00:35:01,133 Everything we had. 579 00:35:01,168 --> 00:35:03,101 And moved to New York. 580 00:35:03,135 --> 00:35:06,863 One day we were sleeping on the floors, the next day, we were in this giant house 581 00:35:06,897 --> 00:35:10,315 in upstate New York. But it was literal overnight stay. 582 00:35:10,349 --> 00:35:11,730 [interviewer] Have you ever done that? have the opportunity to meet 583 00:35:11,764 --> 00:35:13,594 these authors of the article, then? 584 00:35:13,628 --> 00:35:16,976 You know, I don't even know whether I met Larry or not. I hope I did. 585 00:35:17,011 --> 00:35:19,117 I hope I thanked him for that. 586 00:35:19,151 --> 00:35:20,670 [interviewer] Feel like you I owe him a drink. 587 00:35:20,704 --> 00:35:23,293 I owe him a case. 588 00:35:25,053 --> 00:35:26,779 [Mean Town Bluesplaying] 589 00:35:46,074 --> 00:35:47,766 ♪ 590 00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:52,840 [Edgar] When Johnny became famous 591 00:35:52,874 --> 00:35:57,707 although we had spent almost all our lives we are preparing 592 00:35:57,741 --> 00:36:01,469 it still seemed that had happened almost instantly. 593 00:36:01,504 --> 00:36:03,540 [ Mean Town Blues continues to play] 594 00:36:03,575 --> 00:36:05,508 [Edgar] He hadn't it was for johnny 595 00:36:05,542 --> 00:36:09,270 I probably would be either a teacher, 596 00:36:09,305 --> 00:36:11,307 I might have been a scientist. 597 00:36:11,341 --> 00:36:15,242 It really was Woodstock that changed my life. 598 00:36:15,276 --> 00:36:20,971 And of course I wouldn't have been there if it wasn't for Johnny. 599 00:36:21,006 --> 00:36:26,218 [Johnny] Woodstock indeed it was a good show, but it was all muddy and ugly. 600 00:36:26,253 --> 00:36:28,220 Nobody knew who was going on when 601 00:36:28,255 --> 00:36:31,085 I went to sleep in a garbage bag. 602 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:34,192 And I got up around midnight to see what happens 603 00:36:34,226 --> 00:36:37,022 and someone said, “Well, guys they're all here, play." 604 00:36:37,056 --> 00:36:38,334 I had just woken up. 605 00:36:38,368 --> 00:36:40,646 I'm surprised it was however good he was. 606 00:36:40,681 --> 00:36:42,476 [ Mean Town Blues continues to play] 607 00:36:53,452 --> 00:36:57,180 It was still in the from the nicest things I have ever done. 608 00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:59,009 So do we makes Johnny fat. 609 00:36:59,044 --> 00:37:02,254 The reason is, when not serving the giant croissants 610 00:37:02,289 --> 00:37:05,740 where we were getting trying to get some meat in johnny's bones 611 00:37:05,775 --> 00:37:09,192 we have to get these smaller croissants. 612 00:37:09,227 --> 00:37:11,746 Left side fracture from a croissant, 613 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:14,301 pushing it... 614 00:37:14,335 --> 00:37:17,683 right side of a croissant. Pushing the left side of the other croissant, 615 00:37:17,718 --> 00:37:21,342 in the broken piece of croissants, creating a giant croissant 616 00:37:22,274 --> 00:37:23,620 which it then consumes. 617 00:37:23,655 --> 00:37:26,036 Johnny eats alone one thing at a time. 618 00:37:26,071 --> 00:37:29,523 So when you connect the two, you have a bigger croissant 619 00:37:29,557 --> 00:37:32,008 It means more weight gain for Johnny. 620 00:37:32,042 --> 00:37:35,460 And a healthier Johnny all around. 621 00:37:35,494 --> 00:37:37,324 [ WKRP in Cincinnati play theme song] 622 00:37:38,635 --> 00:37:39,705 Sing it! 623 00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:42,881 ♪ I wonder anything Made by me ♪ 624 00:37:45,124 --> 00:37:47,575 ♪ The air in Cincinnati 625 00:37:49,681 --> 00:37:51,027 ♪ WKRP 626 00:37:53,063 --> 00:37:55,756 [singing along] 627 00:38:16,501 --> 00:38:18,951 [Nick] Ever since when you were a child 628 00:38:18,986 --> 00:38:20,367 in Beaumont, 629 00:38:20,401 --> 00:38:23,887 did you ever imagine this loving music that you love 630 00:38:23,922 --> 00:38:26,752 playing guitar and singing, who would execute you in this world - 631 00:38:26,787 --> 00:38:29,168 -Oh, I always was almost certainly he would. -Really; 632 00:38:29,203 --> 00:38:30,998 I was sure I would like to to be successful. 633 00:38:31,032 --> 00:38:31,964 You had a lot of self-confidence. 634 00:38:31,999 --> 00:38:33,518 Yes, I did. I always did. 635 00:38:33,552 --> 00:38:38,005 And this was in a tough town, who made fun of you and had a hard time. 636 00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:39,420 And you had this trust? 637 00:38:39,455 --> 00:38:40,939 It made me try harder. 638 00:38:40,973 --> 00:38:42,181 Yes. 639 00:38:42,216 --> 00:38:43,838 It was a good thing. 640 00:38:43,873 --> 00:38:47,255 It made me try harder. I just wanted to show people I could reach out to. 641 00:38:47,290 --> 00:38:49,396 At the time when did you use heroin 642 00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:51,467 affected your musical skills? 643 00:38:51,501 --> 00:38:54,504 No, I wasn't that good. 644 00:38:54,539 --> 00:38:56,541 First, I thought I was just using it, 645 00:38:56,575 --> 00:38:58,232 but i understood I was addicted. 646 00:38:58,266 --> 00:38:59,785 I couldn't function without it. 647 00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:01,062 I wanted to stop. 648 00:39:01,649 --> 00:39:02,788 Really bad. 649 00:39:03,996 --> 00:39:05,791 i put myself in addiction. 650 00:39:05,826 --> 00:39:07,034 Here in New Orleans. 651 00:39:08,276 --> 00:39:10,175 What did he do to you? can he do this? 652 00:39:10,209 --> 00:39:13,281 How could you do that, how did you get the power to do this? 653 00:39:13,316 --> 00:39:14,524 i would have died if I hadn't. 654 00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:16,871 -And you knew that? - I knew it. 655 00:39:16,906 --> 00:39:18,942 Some people can keep using it for years. 656 00:39:18,977 --> 00:39:22,429 Dr. John did it, Ray Charles did it. I couldn't. 657 00:39:22,463 --> 00:39:24,707 I don't think Dr. John I would support it now, though. 658 00:39:24,741 --> 00:39:28,124 No, he wouldn't. He did it for 35 years, however. 659 00:39:28,158 --> 00:39:32,231 It didn't seem to affect it his creativity. It affected mine. 660 00:39:32,266 --> 00:39:34,613 [interviewee] You remember the first time you tried it? 661 00:39:34,648 --> 00:39:35,718 Yes. 662 00:39:35,752 --> 00:39:40,516 Yes, I got it for the first time in a press, 663 00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:42,380 press party in Los Angeles. 664 00:39:42,414 --> 00:39:46,004 This guy said, "Do you do drugs?" and I said "Sure." 665 00:39:46,038 --> 00:39:48,627 "Have you ever done heroin?" I said "No, I haven't." 666 00:39:48,662 --> 00:39:54,426 He said "Take some of this." It was the only time that someone he gave me free heroin. 667 00:39:54,461 --> 00:39:57,878 I kept it three or four months. 668 00:39:57,912 --> 00:40:00,121 Then, it is supposed to to put on a show in New Jersey. 669 00:40:00,156 --> 00:40:03,677 I couldn't... didn't get there. we were any kind of depression. 670 00:40:03,711 --> 00:40:07,163 And I said, "It seems like a good time to try this heroin." 671 00:40:07,197 --> 00:40:08,647 We all smelled it. 672 00:40:10,062 --> 00:40:12,271 I couldn't believe it. 673 00:40:12,306 --> 00:40:14,342 Just don't worry for anything. 674 00:40:14,377 --> 00:40:16,034 Nothing bothers you. 675 00:40:18,381 --> 00:40:20,521 Well, I really thought I could just use it, 676 00:40:20,556 --> 00:40:23,593 and just do it when i want and don't get addicted. 677 00:40:23,628 --> 00:40:27,252 He thought only of stupid people get addicted 678 00:40:27,286 --> 00:40:30,462 And I thought I was pretty cool so you can just use it. 679 00:40:31,567 --> 00:40:32,809 [interviewee] Now what do we do? 680 00:40:32,844 --> 00:40:34,742 [Johnny] Well, I hope we drink. 681 00:40:34,777 --> 00:40:36,710 What do you need? Uniform; 682 00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:41,369 I'll have four shots on the rocks. 683 00:40:41,404 --> 00:40:42,716 Four shots on the rocks. 684 00:40:44,303 --> 00:40:45,512 Four shots on the rocks. 685 00:40:49,136 --> 00:40:50,413 [shouting] 686 00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:52,242 [ Leland Mississippi Blues playing] 687 00:41:12,711 --> 00:41:13,919 ♪ 688 00:41:35,078 --> 00:41:36,217 ♪ 689 00:41:38,116 --> 00:41:39,842 [laughs] 690 00:41:41,257 --> 00:41:43,017 I don't like it. 691 00:41:43,052 --> 00:41:44,640 I don't like it. 692 00:41:46,573 --> 00:41:48,989 -[mumble] - What? 693 00:41:50,611 --> 00:41:52,130 What the hell does it continue? 694 00:41:53,407 --> 00:41:54,615 [laughs] 695 00:42:03,313 --> 00:42:04,383 where are you going 696 00:42:04,418 --> 00:42:05,868 One step down. 697 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,389 [laughs] 698 00:42:10,424 --> 00:42:11,563 Now, climb up. 699 00:42:12,219 --> 00:42:13,807 Go up. 700 00:42:13,841 --> 00:42:14,911 [laughs] 701 00:42:16,603 --> 00:42:18,018 Oh, my God. 702 00:42:18,466 --> 00:42:20,054 Oh, my God! 703 00:42:20,676 --> 00:42:22,574 Oh, my God! 704 00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:23,989 [laughs] 705 00:42:25,612 --> 00:42:27,061 I'm so drunk. 706 00:42:27,924 --> 00:42:30,686 Oh geez, I'm really drunk. 707 00:42:31,272 --> 00:42:33,205 I'm really drunk. 708 00:42:33,965 --> 00:42:35,276 Oh shit. 709 00:42:37,037 --> 00:42:38,348 I want to go home. 710 00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:41,041 I really want to go home. 711 00:42:41,628 --> 00:42:43,250 I want to go home. 712 00:42:43,284 --> 00:42:44,389 [laughs] 713 00:42:44,423 --> 00:42:46,218 I really want to go home. 714 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:49,843 I'm so fucked. 715 00:42:49,877 --> 00:42:51,154 [laughs] 716 00:42:51,189 --> 00:42:52,259 Oh, I'm really... 717 00:42:52,293 --> 00:42:54,917 [Paul] Wait a minute. Who wanted to go drinking? 718 00:42:54,951 --> 00:42:56,159 i did it 719 00:42:56,194 --> 00:42:57,471 [Paul] Well, here we are! 720 00:42:57,505 --> 00:42:58,610 i did it 721 00:42:58,645 --> 00:43:00,716 ♪ I just want to go home 722 00:43:00,750 --> 00:43:03,028 ♪ I'm tired and I want To go to sleep ♪ 723 00:43:03,063 --> 00:43:05,997 ♪ I drank a little About an hour ago ♪ 724 00:43:06,031 --> 00:43:08,378 ♪ And he went Right in my head ♪ 725 00:43:08,413 --> 00:43:12,520 ♪ Everywhere I roam Over land or sea or foam ♪ 726 00:43:12,555 --> 00:43:17,491 ♪ You can always hear me sing this song God I wanna go home ♪ 727 00:43:17,525 --> 00:43:18,768 One more time! 728 00:43:18,803 --> 00:43:20,943 ♪ I want to go home! 729 00:43:20,977 --> 00:43:23,808 ♪ I'm tired and I want To go to sleep ♪ 730 00:43:23,842 --> 00:43:26,431 ♪ I drank a little About an hour ago ♪ 731 00:43:26,465 --> 00:43:28,502 ♪ And he went Right in my head ♪ 732 00:43:28,536 --> 00:43:32,713 ♪ Wherever I go Over land or sea or foam ♪ 733 00:43:32,748 --> 00:43:37,269 ♪ You can always listen to me Singing this song God, I just want to go home♪ 734 00:43:43,068 --> 00:43:44,380 [TV screams] 735 00:43:48,177 --> 00:43:52,319 [Susan] I was a hippie down in miami, and i met a girl, barbara, 736 00:43:52,353 --> 00:43:54,873 who knew this I will go up backup 737 00:43:54,908 --> 00:43:56,772 in New York and marry Edgar Winter and 738 00:43:56,806 --> 00:43:58,497 “I'll call you when we get off." 739 00:43:58,532 --> 00:44:00,223 So, a year later, he called me. 740 00:44:00,258 --> 00:44:03,019 And Edgar and Johnny they were playing in town. 741 00:44:03,054 --> 00:44:05,608 Above the couple for years, I... 742 00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:07,645 He went to a few shows and some. 743 00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:10,717 Then I went up in New York and started works for Steve Paul. 744 00:44:10,751 --> 00:44:13,202 And then he... arose... 745 00:44:13,236 --> 00:44:15,549 and this is... We were together since then. 746 00:44:15,583 --> 00:44:18,034 [interviewer] You weren't doing heroin at that point, were you 747 00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:19,518 Well, yes. 748 00:44:19,553 --> 00:44:21,762 [interviewer] You knew that what you were do you enter 749 00:44:21,797 --> 00:44:23,108 Not really, no. 750 00:44:23,143 --> 00:44:25,041 I wanted to be, somehow, on the same plane he was on. 751 00:44:25,076 --> 00:44:27,526 So if he did something, I wanted to do it too. 752 00:44:27,561 --> 00:44:29,287 But it became overwhelming, and i can... 753 00:44:29,321 --> 00:44:32,704 I bet sometimes, go to the bathroom and I cry my eyes out because it was too much 754 00:44:32,739 --> 00:44:34,326 and I didn't mean to... 755 00:44:34,361 --> 00:44:36,466 [interviewer] What else he was there anyway heroin and booze? 756 00:44:36,501 --> 00:44:38,537 Pot and cocaine, i guess 757 00:44:38,572 --> 00:44:41,264 Downs. Seconals. 758 00:44:41,299 --> 00:44:43,025 I don't remember doing so with you 759 00:44:43,059 --> 00:44:45,924 I did a lot of Seconals. Quaaludes. 760 00:44:46,856 --> 00:44:48,340 I did a lot of them. 761 00:44:48,375 --> 00:44:49,341 I liked the downers. 762 00:44:49,376 --> 00:44:52,517 It was like drinking without having to drink 763 00:44:52,551 --> 00:44:57,798 We did so much coke, this guy says, “You guys you must know that you will die.' 764 00:44:57,833 --> 00:44:59,973 "You will die, if you keep doing this.' 765 00:45:00,007 --> 00:45:03,666 Stop, he said you know you do too much. 766 00:45:03,701 --> 00:45:05,703 It just wasn't he's used to us. 767 00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:13,987 [Tommy] Then, we were high all the time. 768 00:45:14,021 --> 00:45:16,437 i used to do too much LSD, 769 00:45:16,472 --> 00:45:20,648 speed and downers, and almost anything we can think. 770 00:45:20,683 --> 00:45:22,547 As a band... 771 00:45:22,581 --> 00:45:25,653 Like, the goal was to swallow so much 772 00:45:25,688 --> 00:45:28,933 different... substances as possible. 773 00:45:28,967 --> 00:45:33,040 And then look if we still could get up there and play. 774 00:45:33,075 --> 00:45:37,769 I remember playing at the Spectrum, Philadelphia, 775 00:45:37,804 --> 00:45:40,496 all three of us tripped on acid. 776 00:45:40,530 --> 00:45:44,017 We've come so high could not be heard like music anymore. 777 00:45:44,051 --> 00:45:45,466 It sounded like... [humming] 778 00:45:45,501 --> 00:45:46,985 These sounds. 779 00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:50,748 And finally when the end of the show was done, 780 00:45:50,782 --> 00:45:54,648 we left the stage and started walking right down the hall you know 781 00:45:54,682 --> 00:45:56,995 with people instead of behind the scenes. 782 00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:59,135 As soon as we took off, and... 783 00:45:59,170 --> 00:46:03,346 The crew guys had to come, run out and get us and turn us around. 784 00:46:03,381 --> 00:46:04,969 We were the three dogs. 785 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,134 The stage was the Club, Steve Pauls, our manager at the time... 786 00:46:32,168 --> 00:46:35,482 It was his club. I remember the first night I went in there. 787 00:46:35,516 --> 00:46:39,866 Jimi Hendrix was there, John Bonham, Jerry Lee Lewis was there. 788 00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:41,937 Total jerk. 789 00:46:41,971 --> 00:46:44,525 Johnny, you know Johnny and I we were playing 790 00:46:45,699 --> 00:46:47,218 Someone hit me on the shoulder. 791 00:46:47,252 --> 00:46:49,634 i came back and it was Jimi Hendrix. 792 00:46:49,668 --> 00:46:52,326 He asked if he i could play my bass. 793 00:46:52,361 --> 00:46:56,261 And I just took it out right in the middle of a song, and handed it to him. 794 00:47:04,545 --> 00:47:06,168 [interviewee] What would it be? at the first moment 795 00:47:06,202 --> 00:47:08,480 where you really felt is this where you wanted to be? 796 00:47:08,515 --> 00:47:13,278 Making the first record it was great because it turned out exactly as I wanted it. 797 00:47:13,313 --> 00:47:15,280 This is another one from my favorite records. 798 00:47:15,315 --> 00:47:18,594 I knew that's exactly what it is what i want to do 799 00:47:18,628 --> 00:47:21,217 [ I am yours and I am hers playing] 800 00:47:39,339 --> 00:47:40,996 ♪ 801 00:48:01,223 --> 00:48:02,603 ♪ 802 00:48:02,638 --> 00:48:04,364 [interviewer] You haven't met Salvador Dali? 803 00:48:04,398 --> 00:48:07,298 [Johnny] Yeah, he told me I have to put in a microphone in my ass 804 00:48:07,332 --> 00:48:10,266 and transmission my inner workings. 805 00:48:10,853 --> 00:48:12,475 [laughs] 806 00:48:12,510 --> 00:48:14,098 He was a very strange guy. 807 00:48:14,132 --> 00:48:16,479 [interviewer] When did it happen? Come on Janis Joplin in your life? 808 00:48:16,514 --> 00:48:20,345 [Johnny] We played a show in Florida and I was on acid. 809 00:48:20,380 --> 00:48:23,693 And he made me drink Southern Comfort. 810 00:48:23,728 --> 00:48:28,664 And it tasted like Kool-Aid, it was not possible at all. 811 00:48:28,698 --> 00:48:31,529 And I got very sick and we were going back in a helicopter 812 00:48:31,563 --> 00:48:34,601 after this show, and i threw up all over her. 813 00:48:34,635 --> 00:48:37,742 I don't think she does he remembered it. She was so drunk too. 814 00:48:37,776 --> 00:48:40,469 I didn't even have one a Kleenex for wiping the vomit away. 815 00:48:40,503 --> 00:48:42,471 [ I am yours and I am hers continues to play] 816 00:48:45,025 --> 00:48:48,580 [Johnny] All these people died about the same time. Jimi Hendrix, she, 817 00:48:49,098 --> 00:48:50,306 Jim Morrison. 818 00:48:50,341 --> 00:48:51,687 [interviewer] What did he do? does that tell you? 819 00:48:51,721 --> 00:48:54,759 That was scary. I was wondering if i was next 820 00:48:54,793 --> 00:48:56,450 All the J. 821 00:48:56,485 --> 00:48:59,419 Jim, Janice, Jimmy. 822 00:48:59,453 --> 00:49:02,422 I thought I was Johnny, I'm next to die here. 823 00:49:02,456 --> 00:49:04,217 [interviewer] How did you do it? to make it? 824 00:49:04,251 --> 00:49:06,944 Just lucky. Just very lucky. 825 00:49:07,703 --> 00:49:09,325 I am so lucky to check it. 826 00:49:11,327 --> 00:49:14,710 I didn't know I could control of heroin. 827 00:49:14,744 --> 00:49:19,335 i was done in austin once upon a time and... 828 00:49:19,370 --> 00:49:24,340 I usually leave someone else shoot first to see what did he do to them 829 00:49:24,375 --> 00:49:26,411 But I really do he wanted to get high then. 830 00:49:26,446 --> 00:49:30,174 I overdosed. They dumped me in a cold water bath. 831 00:49:31,416 --> 00:49:35,006 I turned blue. Ed was hitting me, 832 00:49:35,041 --> 00:49:36,732 slaps me trying to wake me up. 833 00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:40,736 It's the only time I overdosed. 834 00:49:42,082 --> 00:49:44,326 But he was afraid I would die. 835 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,261 I didn't even know that I was... all confused. 836 00:49:49,124 --> 00:49:50,884 when i woke up I just got mad 837 00:49:50,918 --> 00:49:53,542 why did it happen my velvet shirt wet. 838 00:49:53,576 --> 00:49:57,270 I said I'm fine, and he said: “No, you weren't well, man. You would die." 839 00:49:58,788 --> 00:50:00,238 And that kind of freaked me out. 840 00:50:04,070 --> 00:50:05,347 [laughter] 841 00:50:12,733 --> 00:50:14,528 This is irritating as hell. 842 00:50:15,598 --> 00:50:16,772 Stop doing that shit. 843 00:50:16,806 --> 00:50:19,188 - No, it's funny. - It's no fun. 844 00:50:26,333 --> 00:50:28,335 Okay, come on right here. 845 00:50:35,032 --> 00:50:37,793 [speaking Cantonese] 846 00:50:42,832 --> 00:50:44,075 I want to get this. 847 00:50:44,110 --> 00:50:45,042 Well done. 848 00:50:45,076 --> 00:50:46,422 Well done guys. 849 00:50:47,354 --> 00:50:51,048 [Who do you love to play] 850 00:51:05,545 --> 00:51:07,271 ♪ 851 00:51:16,797 --> 00:51:18,868 [Johnny] How is the audience? doing out there? 852 00:51:21,147 --> 00:51:23,183 Well, that doesn't work not fun to play. 853 00:51:26,635 --> 00:51:28,499 Oh, ZZ Top played for one person. 854 00:51:28,533 --> 00:51:32,227 - There you go. -If they can play to one person, I can play in two series. 855 00:51:34,021 --> 00:51:36,955 It happens very often, where does one go through their lives, 856 00:51:36,990 --> 00:51:40,614 and it's just... because it's always there it is simply inevitable. 857 00:51:40,649 --> 00:51:43,893 It's always around so you wait to see them of time. 858 00:51:43,928 --> 00:51:45,930 You put it off and... 859 00:51:45,964 --> 00:51:48,864 And then they're gone. And then everyone holds them up 860 00:51:48,898 --> 00:51:51,591 and they say "Hero". And you say, "You know, he was a hero 861 00:51:51,625 --> 00:51:55,698 "One year ago today, when they were playing at a club down the street.' 862 00:51:55,733 --> 00:51:56,941 ok guys let's go 863 00:51:56,975 --> 00:51:58,598 Let's go. No shit. 864 00:51:58,632 --> 00:52:01,048 [Derek] I listen to people now like, “B.B. chats a lot on stage." 865 00:52:01,083 --> 00:52:03,775 I was like, “I'm not doing it give a fuck You go. You pay your ticket, 866 00:52:03,810 --> 00:52:07,365 "And you cheer him, and shut the hell up." 867 00:52:08,573 --> 00:52:12,025 Yes, it's B.B. King, curse it. 868 00:52:12,059 --> 00:52:13,613 It's Johnny Winter. 869 00:52:13,647 --> 00:52:15,028 I'm going. 870 00:52:15,062 --> 00:52:16,305 [crowd cheers] 871 00:52:16,340 --> 00:52:18,204 Hello, Hong Kong! 872 00:52:18,238 --> 00:52:19,998 Are you ready? 873 00:52:20,033 --> 00:52:21,621 [crowd cheers] 874 00:52:23,001 --> 00:52:25,832 ladies and gentlemen, it makes a little noise 875 00:52:25,866 --> 00:52:28,179 for Johnny Winter! 876 00:52:28,214 --> 00:52:30,250 [Mojo Boogieplaying] 877 00:52:46,473 --> 00:52:48,372 ♪ 878 00:53:08,219 --> 00:53:09,910 Yes, Muddy Waters. 879 00:53:11,153 --> 00:53:13,259 [crowd cheers] 880 00:53:16,779 --> 00:53:18,678 [crowd continues to cheer] 881 00:53:39,975 --> 00:53:41,839 One... Two... 882 00:53:41,873 --> 00:53:44,013 Two... Three... Four... 883 00:53:44,048 --> 00:53:46,430 [Dust My Broomplaying] 884 00:53:58,304 --> 00:54:01,376 [Derek] When you see Johnny with Firebird, when this guitar comes out 885 00:54:01,410 --> 00:54:03,274 it's like thinking about it Duane Allman's Goldtop, 886 00:54:03,309 --> 00:54:05,759 or Hendrix with a specific guitar. 887 00:54:05,794 --> 00:54:07,554 It's iconic. 888 00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:09,694 [ Dust My Broom continues to play] 889 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:18,185 The way this guitar looks and it sounds, it's too much his spirit, musically. 890 00:54:18,220 --> 00:54:22,328 It's just, sort of, in your face, and it's ugly in the most beautiful way. 891 00:54:40,311 --> 00:54:41,554 Thank you! 892 00:54:41,588 --> 00:54:43,349 So many people pissed off 893 00:54:43,383 --> 00:54:45,523 when they started rushing the scene because they couldn't look now. 894 00:54:45,558 --> 00:54:47,353 No, but I still liked it. 895 00:54:47,387 --> 00:54:49,458 - Yes, I know. - It was very nice. 896 00:54:53,048 --> 00:54:57,432 Yeah, I didn't think of that it was finished to the last two, three songs there. 897 00:54:57,466 --> 00:55:00,987 They... I thought, "Well, that's not fun at all." 898 00:55:02,195 --> 00:55:03,921 -Finally they went crazy. -Yes. 899 00:55:04,991 --> 00:55:05,854 [Paul] That's great. 900 00:55:05,888 --> 00:55:07,718 How long ago shall we get out of here? 901 00:55:07,752 --> 00:55:08,753 [laughs] 902 00:55:08,788 --> 00:55:10,134 Ah, that's over. 903 00:55:10,168 --> 00:55:12,792 Now that we've finished the game, let's go home watch a movie 904 00:55:14,034 --> 00:55:16,968 You can ask, “What is the purpose of music?' 905 00:55:17,003 --> 00:55:20,903 And I can answer, “To activate people and make them happy." 906 00:55:20,938 --> 00:55:23,354 [Prodigal Sonplaying] 907 00:55:32,121 --> 00:55:36,540 Steve thought that the blues she was so big in the 60s he said if I didn't 908 00:55:36,574 --> 00:55:39,059 start doing more rock and roll, then 909 00:55:39,991 --> 00:55:41,924 my career would be... 910 00:55:42,408 --> 00:55:44,375 it might just end. 911 00:55:44,410 --> 00:55:46,481 And it really wasn't what I wanted to do. 912 00:55:46,515 --> 00:55:49,276 I didn't want to more rock and roll. 913 00:55:49,311 --> 00:55:51,865 But... I thought he was probably right. 914 00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:54,696 I'm still thinking he's probably right, so... 915 00:55:54,730 --> 00:55:56,249 I decided to move on and do it. 916 00:55:56,283 --> 00:55:59,563 And it really hurt me because I loved Tommy and Ed. They had... 917 00:56:00,529 --> 00:56:02,013 He helped me fix it. 918 00:56:02,911 --> 00:56:05,189 But... uh... 919 00:56:05,223 --> 00:56:08,054 I was sad to move on and do the thing with the McCoys. 920 00:56:08,088 --> 00:56:10,608 [Tommy] They lived in a house in upstate New York, 921 00:56:10,643 --> 00:56:12,679 I'm guessing about 100 yards from us. 922 00:56:12,714 --> 00:56:14,509 We should be friends with them. 923 00:56:14,543 --> 00:56:16,752 One day we went to a rehearsal, you know 924 00:56:16,787 --> 00:56:19,134 and we couldn't go up with any material. 925 00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:25,209 And Johnny started you're kind of freaking out. 926 00:56:25,243 --> 00:56:28,971 And the McCoys, they had material. 927 00:56:29,006 --> 00:56:31,422 And it happened gradually, you know, he... 928 00:56:31,457 --> 00:56:33,597 He said he would stay with them. 929 00:56:33,631 --> 00:56:35,771 ♪ 930 00:56:48,715 --> 00:56:52,581 [Johnny] God, I really felt it like I was selling out. 931 00:56:52,616 --> 00:56:55,791 I started doing a lot of heroin, I didn't like it a lot. 932 00:56:55,826 --> 00:56:58,691 I didn't like it what i did 933 00:56:58,725 --> 00:57:02,833 He started doing a lot more drugs than I had to do. 934 00:57:04,455 --> 00:57:07,078 This really... It really confused me. 935 00:57:08,183 --> 00:57:09,702 [Johnny] Oh, are we still there? 936 00:57:09,736 --> 00:57:11,738 - Yes, we continue, yes. -We are; 937 00:57:11,773 --> 00:57:13,740 -Are we on TV? -Here. Yes. 938 00:57:13,775 --> 00:57:16,398 -So, we're pretty good? -Yes. 939 00:57:16,433 --> 00:57:17,503 Oh, no. 940 00:57:17,537 --> 00:57:19,194 I know you like it playing with the new band. 941 00:57:19,228 --> 00:57:21,507 what do you think is one of the big changes that you have noticed 942 00:57:21,541 --> 00:57:24,544 from the old complex. You've gone with it for about two years? 943 00:57:24,579 --> 00:57:27,478 For about two years. Right. I love playing in the new band. 944 00:57:27,513 --> 00:57:29,963 -You also liked the old band. - I liked it. 945 00:57:29,998 --> 00:57:34,830 I love the old band, and when he took to not be so cool 946 00:57:34,865 --> 00:57:40,042 we're tired of doing it then almost immediately, we decided to change. 947 00:57:40,077 --> 00:57:43,805 We started jamming. It was nowhere to be found we could go 948 00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:46,980 We played straight and bulk for two years, 949 00:57:47,015 --> 00:57:50,328 and I just... wasn't giving up the blues, 950 00:57:50,363 --> 00:57:53,262 or sell out or whatever, i just wanted to to do something else. 951 00:57:53,297 --> 00:57:56,576 [Johnny] That was my biggest one sales tray. "Johnny Winter And - Live" 952 00:57:56,611 --> 00:57:58,509 This is the record I liked it the least. 953 00:57:58,544 --> 00:58:01,581 [Tommy] Sold many records doing this. 954 00:58:01,616 --> 00:58:05,827 But it was happening more miserable. 955 00:58:05,861 --> 00:58:08,519 That's when finally came back playing the blues. 956 00:58:08,554 --> 00:58:10,176 Because that's what it is he loved 957 00:58:10,210 --> 00:58:13,697 When I actually came back in the blues was when I got to play with Muddy. 958 00:58:13,731 --> 00:58:18,874 I finally felt like I did what I wanted to do I used to play with Muddy. 959 00:58:18,909 --> 00:58:21,498 [Mike] Together for the first time on a new album, you two. 960 00:58:21,532 --> 00:58:25,881 Yeah, not really about the first time, but first time on this album. 961 00:58:25,916 --> 00:58:27,849 We know each other for years. 962 00:58:27,883 --> 00:58:29,575 And admired each other, obviously. 963 00:58:29,609 --> 00:58:33,751 Well, Muddy was an idol of mine ever since I've been... 964 00:58:33,786 --> 00:58:37,030 And I really admire him. When I first heard him, i said 965 00:58:37,065 --> 00:58:39,101 "He is one of the greatest blues player in the business'. 966 00:58:39,136 --> 00:58:40,206 Oh, wow. 967 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,381 [Johnny] We made our own first record in 1977. 968 00:58:43,416 --> 00:58:44,624 [interviewee] How did this happen? 969 00:58:44,659 --> 00:58:46,419 [Johnny] His manager call my manager 970 00:58:46,453 --> 00:58:50,527 and asked me if I would like to for playback and production of discs with Muddy, 971 00:58:50,561 --> 00:58:52,736 and I said I would love to to do this. 972 00:58:52,770 --> 00:58:54,669 There is nothing I prefer to do. 973 00:58:54,703 --> 00:58:56,463 It was a lot of fun. 974 00:58:56,498 --> 00:59:00,053 Maddy said: “This music it's so good, it does pee hard again." 975 00:59:00,088 --> 00:59:02,746 That's why we called the Hard Again record. 976 00:59:05,196 --> 00:59:08,027 [Derek] I mean, these are my favorite Muddy Waters record as a child. 977 00:59:08,061 --> 00:59:09,994 It just existed something for 978 00:59:10,029 --> 00:59:11,893 the sound and manner were recorded. 979 00:59:11,927 --> 00:59:14,171 I remember even when we started building our studio, 980 00:59:14,205 --> 00:59:15,931 those were the records I had it in my head. 981 00:59:15,966 --> 00:59:18,831 I was like... It's still a goal for me to try to make a record 982 00:59:18,865 --> 00:59:20,695 that sounds like it or feels like it. 983 00:59:20,729 --> 00:59:23,663 Listening to him, in Mannish Boy he just yelled deep down... 984 00:59:23,698 --> 00:59:25,562 [laughs] I felt, yes... 985 00:59:25,596 --> 00:59:26,839 Whoah! 986 00:59:26,873 --> 00:59:29,048 [Mannish Boyplaying] 987 00:59:35,364 --> 00:59:38,471 [Joe] There's something for the current flowing in the room, 988 00:59:38,505 --> 00:59:42,751 when they play this of course comes to the surface. 989 00:59:42,786 --> 00:59:46,203 And this is one of my touchdowns, that record. 990 00:59:46,237 --> 00:59:50,138 [Derek] Johnny was that bridge. He was fully informed at the time, 991 00:59:50,172 --> 00:59:52,174 but he was fully aware his story. 992 00:59:52,209 --> 00:59:54,625 And it was the right age, the right skill set, 993 00:59:54,660 --> 00:59:57,352 the right knowledge, the right humility. 994 00:59:57,386 --> 00:59:58,905 The right fearlessness. 995 00:59:58,940 --> 01:00:01,183 [Mannish Boy continues to play] 996 01:00:04,428 --> 01:00:08,570 It's still the most fun I had never played music. I just loved Muddy. 997 01:00:08,605 --> 01:00:10,607 She loved him. He loved his music. 998 01:00:39,705 --> 01:00:41,776 [Got My Mojo Workingplay] 999 01:00:51,130 --> 01:00:54,443 [Johnny] It was just great. I will never forget it. 1000 01:00:54,478 --> 01:00:58,413 Damn, he should have lived another 10 or 20 years. 1001 01:00:58,447 --> 01:01:00,691 [interviewer] Yes. It was a great loss for you when did it pass? 1002 01:01:00,726 --> 01:01:03,487 I hated it. It really hurt me. 1003 01:01:03,521 --> 01:01:06,145 We were very close. 1004 01:01:06,179 --> 01:01:09,320 I went to his house, twice, he... 1005 01:01:09,873 --> 01:01:11,702 made gumbo for me. 1006 01:01:13,566 --> 01:01:15,533 He called me his son. 1007 01:01:15,568 --> 01:01:17,156 Yes, we were very close. 1008 01:01:19,883 --> 01:01:23,231 [ Got My Mojo Working continues to play] 1009 01:01:41,421 --> 01:01:45,736 I remember somewhere around '90 or '91, 1010 01:01:45,771 --> 01:01:51,155 we've all done that John Lee Hooker Tribute Concert at Madison Square Garden. 1011 01:01:51,777 --> 01:01:53,157 And, uh... 1012 01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:57,058 There were a couple of rehearsal days. 1013 01:01:57,955 --> 01:02:01,718 And I remember... eh... 1014 01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:04,928 Johnny was little outside of it. 1015 01:02:04,962 --> 01:02:06,792 In the 90s, stood still 1016 01:02:06,826 --> 01:02:09,726 but it started takes his swing in their place. 1017 01:02:16,422 --> 01:02:19,563 [Paul] And then, finally, he fell and broke his hip the first time. 1018 01:02:19,597 --> 01:02:22,255 And then he was righteous wheelchair user. 1019 01:02:22,290 --> 01:02:26,881 He was playing, but his voice started taking very nasal and very weak. 1020 01:02:26,915 --> 01:02:29,780 We went and saw him at Antone's and... 1021 01:02:30,816 --> 01:02:33,301 It kind of broke my heart, you know why 1022 01:02:33,335 --> 01:02:35,337 it was just there. 1023 01:02:35,372 --> 01:02:39,514 And it was in... such a bad situation that... 1024 01:02:41,033 --> 01:02:42,931 You know, I was worried he may die. 1025 01:02:42,966 --> 01:02:44,864 I just had a lot of worry. 1026 01:02:46,314 --> 01:02:48,212 Because, you know, I loved Johnny. 1027 01:02:48,247 --> 01:02:52,458 He was my friend for a long time. 1028 01:02:52,492 --> 01:02:55,012 [Johnny] 90's it was bad decade for me. 1029 01:02:55,047 --> 01:02:57,049 I knew I wasn't playing well. 1030 01:02:58,326 --> 01:03:00,017 This was embarrassing. 1031 01:03:00,052 --> 01:03:02,226 I was getting antidepressants then. 1032 01:03:02,261 --> 01:03:04,677 It was more antidepressants than methadone. 1033 01:03:04,711 --> 01:03:06,817 [interviewer] Okay, can you tell me what this is would it do to you? 1034 01:03:06,852 --> 01:03:08,923 It just puts you on to sleep 1035 01:03:08,957 --> 01:03:11,373 I slept like 14 hours one day. 1036 01:03:11,408 --> 01:03:13,790 You were out, you just left. You didn't know where you were 1037 01:03:13,824 --> 01:03:15,826 I hardly remember in those days. 1038 01:03:15,861 --> 01:03:18,864 I was taking it too much for too long. 1039 01:03:18,898 --> 01:03:23,627 Johnny, I'd say, was up, through research, it involved heroin for two years, tops. 1040 01:03:23,661 --> 01:03:26,388 But methadone for similar, 30, 35 years old. It's crazy. 1041 01:03:26,423 --> 01:03:29,219 You're supposed to be in it and out of it, or just do a low dose. 1042 01:03:29,253 --> 01:03:31,083 When I first started playing with johnny 1043 01:03:31,117 --> 01:03:33,050 Teddy Lettuce was his manager, 1044 01:03:33,085 --> 01:03:35,570 and I kind of knew Teddy from the old days. 1045 01:03:35,604 --> 01:03:39,056 Edgar's Days, but we didn't understand it until we get to Johnny, 1046 01:03:39,091 --> 01:03:40,575 how bad was this guy. 1047 01:03:40,609 --> 01:03:44,959 He was manipulating Johnny holding him... pharmaceutical. 1048 01:03:44,993 --> 01:03:46,684 I guess it will be the word. 1049 01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:50,378 It enabled him, making sure that if Johnny asked some questions, 1050 01:03:50,412 --> 01:03:53,036 "What's going on?" “Where's the money? "What's going on..." 1051 01:03:53,070 --> 01:03:54,865 Teddy would take care he was a pharmacist 1052 01:03:54,900 --> 01:03:56,833 on the spot where it stopped asking questions. 1053 01:03:56,867 --> 01:03:58,973 And he was good in the past. 1054 01:03:59,007 --> 01:04:02,459 But the last four, five years, he was just horrible. 1055 01:04:02,493 --> 01:04:04,737 And Pavlos was working... 1056 01:04:04,771 --> 01:04:07,947 Everyone told me how bad Teddy was. 1057 01:04:07,982 --> 01:04:09,155 I just didn't want to to believe it. 1058 01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:11,330 Everyone knew it was screwing things up. 1059 01:04:11,364 --> 01:04:15,196 His manager in fact he wanted to manage me as an artist. 1060 01:04:15,230 --> 01:04:17,508 And I was... I was flattered 1061 01:04:17,543 --> 01:04:20,235 but same point... time, I was saying 1062 01:04:20,270 --> 01:04:23,514 “What's wrong with Johnny? I mean, you've got Johnny Winter!' 1063 01:04:23,549 --> 01:04:26,966 And then, I search, and I hear the voice and listening to the game, 1064 01:04:27,001 --> 01:04:29,072 and i'm like, "Something is wrong." 1065 01:04:29,106 --> 01:04:31,591 Somehow I moved on, I risked everything I had 1066 01:04:31,626 --> 01:04:35,630 to tell him while his other manager he was still alive 1067 01:04:35,664 --> 01:04:38,288 “There is something continues here and it's a mess." 1068 01:04:39,945 --> 01:04:41,360 So he said, “Will you succeed me? 1069 01:04:41,394 --> 01:04:44,052 I suddenly understood they were right. 1070 01:04:44,604 --> 01:04:46,503 And I just... 1071 01:04:46,537 --> 01:04:49,023 Teddy wrote a letter and said, "You're fired." 1072 01:04:49,057 --> 01:04:51,473 Then I found out, in a few months that he was dead. 1073 01:04:53,096 --> 01:04:55,926 He fell down the stairs and broke his neck. 1074 01:04:55,961 --> 01:04:57,721 He hadn't anything to live. 1075 01:04:57,755 --> 01:04:59,516 No one else would have ever hired him. 1076 01:04:59,550 --> 01:05:03,071 It was very bad a shape to be manager anymore. 1077 01:05:03,106 --> 01:05:05,418 So death was the best thing could have done. 1078 01:05:06,523 --> 01:05:08,490 It was horrible having him as a manager. 1079 01:05:08,525 --> 01:05:12,563 Boy, my career would have was non-existent in another few months. 1080 01:05:12,598 --> 01:05:15,670 [Edgar] I think that's why Paul was so efficient. 1081 01:05:17,189 --> 01:05:21,400 was there and he could see the whole situation. 1082 01:05:21,434 --> 01:05:25,922 And, uh... And really brought Johnny back. 1083 01:05:25,956 --> 01:05:32,031 Help, uh, get him except drugs. 1084 01:05:32,066 --> 01:05:36,760 And, you know, it's an amazing feat by itself. 1085 01:05:36,794 --> 01:05:42,041 You have to understand we are on the tour bus 100-140 times a year. 1086 01:05:42,628 --> 01:05:44,147 And we are family. 1087 01:05:44,181 --> 01:05:48,220 And one of our family members falls asleep in his mash. 1088 01:05:48,254 --> 01:05:51,775 He lights a cigarette and his hat is on fire, and he doesn't even know it. 1089 01:05:51,809 --> 01:05:55,054 I had to take him except methadone, but i had read it... 1090 01:05:55,089 --> 01:05:58,471 The withdrawals they were crazy. 1091 01:05:58,506 --> 01:06:01,888 So I had to find a way to get him off methadone without informing him, 1092 01:06:01,923 --> 01:06:03,407 but at the same time, without killing him. 1093 01:06:03,442 --> 01:06:08,309 So for three years, I sat down and turned off the pills. 1094 01:06:08,343 --> 01:06:13,107 Smaller and smaller, every day, for three years. 1095 01:06:13,141 --> 01:06:15,833 And I saw the change, and talk to doctors. 1096 01:06:15,868 --> 01:06:17,180 “Okay, there isn't stomach upsets, 1097 01:06:17,214 --> 01:06:18,940 "No problem, there is no change." 1098 01:06:18,975 --> 01:06:20,424 And he didn't know was happening 1099 01:06:20,459 --> 01:06:23,462 But then, the tablets he started getting so small, 1100 01:06:24,670 --> 01:06:26,016 I couldn't hide it anymore. 1101 01:06:26,051 --> 01:06:29,571 how can i say “Well, it used to be so big, here's yours..." 1102 01:06:29,606 --> 01:06:35,543 So I went online, and I ordered empty capsules. 1103 01:06:35,577 --> 01:06:38,408 So, for a year, we went. His wife knew. 1104 01:06:38,442 --> 01:06:41,273 And the changes it was astronomical. 1105 01:06:41,307 --> 01:06:43,413 The alcohol was already gone 1106 01:06:43,447 --> 01:06:46,071 the anti-depressants were gone, and the methadone was gone. 1107 01:06:46,105 --> 01:06:49,108 So we went one year, and after Christmas 1108 01:06:49,143 --> 01:06:51,593 when we they exchanged gifts, 1109 01:06:51,628 --> 01:06:54,458 we gave him a box, with the box, with the small box, 1110 01:06:54,493 --> 01:06:57,013 with the pill... This joke. 1111 01:06:57,047 --> 01:06:58,566 And open the pill, and goes 1112 01:06:59,084 --> 01:07:00,292 "What is this?" 1113 01:07:00,326 --> 01:07:02,294 [Susan] It's like methadone. Open it. 1114 01:07:02,328 --> 01:07:04,054 [Paul] Open the pill. 1115 01:07:04,089 --> 01:07:05,573 [Paul] Open the pill. 1116 01:07:06,091 --> 01:07:07,609 [TV screams] 1117 01:07:08,472 --> 01:07:09,991 how are you doing should I open the pill? 1118 01:07:10,026 --> 01:07:13,270 [Paul] Just peel it off, and tell us what's in there? 1119 01:07:13,305 --> 01:07:16,101 [Susan] My love, you're gone off methadone for two years. 1120 01:07:16,135 --> 01:07:17,516 This is... huh? 1121 01:07:17,550 --> 01:07:19,414 [Susan] You're gone off methadone for two years. 1122 01:07:19,449 --> 01:07:20,795 What? 1123 01:07:20,829 --> 01:07:22,728 [Susan] Yes. You have been off methadone for two years. 1124 01:07:22,762 --> 01:07:23,694 No... 1125 01:07:23,729 --> 01:07:24,764 [Paul] Yes. 1126 01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:25,869 What was I getting? 1127 01:07:25,903 --> 01:07:28,078 [Paul] Nothing. Empty pills and rice. 1128 01:07:28,113 --> 01:07:29,355 [Paul] You are methadone free. 1129 01:07:29,390 --> 01:07:31,219 Well, I haven't should i get anything else? 1130 01:07:31,254 --> 01:07:32,600 No. [laughs] 1131 01:07:32,634 --> 01:07:34,360 -I was taking empty pills? - Empty pills. 1132 01:07:34,395 --> 01:07:38,088 This is great. I'm off methadone and I didn't even know it. 1133 01:07:39,055 --> 01:07:40,435 [interviewer] How did you feel? 1134 01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:42,403 It felt so good. 1135 01:07:42,437 --> 01:07:45,440 He shouldn't have gone to no other methadone clinics. 1136 01:07:45,475 --> 01:07:46,959 I was out of it for months. 1137 01:07:46,993 --> 01:07:51,550 He just didn't want to tell me until he was sure I was okay. 1138 01:07:51,584 --> 01:07:55,071 I have to admit, the best gift could i ever have 1139 01:07:55,105 --> 01:07:57,211 he was helping me get off the methadone. 1140 01:07:59,351 --> 01:08:01,387 But he didn't just help me He did it. 1141 01:08:01,422 --> 01:08:03,527 He did it all by himself. 1142 01:08:03,562 --> 01:08:06,427 He changed completely are formed there. It was... 1143 01:08:06,461 --> 01:08:08,912 weight gain, the game, alertness, 1144 01:08:08,946 --> 01:08:10,914 i just eat... he just came back. 1145 01:08:10,948 --> 01:08:13,468 [Long Tall Sallyplay] 1146 01:08:31,107 --> 01:08:32,556 ♪ 1147 01:08:35,249 --> 01:08:36,629 Johnny Winter! 1148 01:08:50,264 --> 01:08:53,025 i love you so much Johnny Winter. 1149 01:08:53,059 --> 01:08:54,302 I love Johnny! 1150 01:08:55,027 --> 01:08:57,340 Johnny, you are great! 1151 01:08:57,374 --> 01:08:58,858 I love you, Johnny! 1152 01:09:05,037 --> 01:09:07,419 The Johnny Winter Band! 1153 01:09:10,215 --> 01:09:11,837 [ Long Tall Sally continues to play] 1154 01:09:18,084 --> 01:09:19,741 [crowd cheers] 1155 01:09:30,787 --> 01:09:31,960 ♪ 1156 01:09:41,177 --> 01:09:43,455 [crowd cheers] 1157 01:09:49,254 --> 01:09:50,324 Thank you! 1158 01:09:53,016 --> 01:09:55,260 [You can't feel it playing] 1159 01:10:15,970 --> 01:10:17,282 ♪ 1160 01:10:31,468 --> 01:10:33,367 [Paul] ...onions, just throw it all in there. 1161 01:10:33,401 --> 01:10:34,644 Turn it around. 1162 01:10:34,678 --> 01:10:36,818 [Paul on microphone] Chef Boy Winter. 1163 01:10:36,853 --> 01:10:37,923 [Johnny] I need more vodka. 1164 01:10:37,957 --> 01:10:39,200 [Paul] Don't touch that glass. 1165 01:10:39,235 --> 01:10:40,960 - I touch it. -Give me this! Give, give! 1166 01:10:40,995 --> 01:10:42,238 [laughter] 1167 01:10:42,272 --> 01:10:45,655 [growling] I have a really good time. 1168 01:10:45,689 --> 01:10:46,759 [laughter] 1169 01:10:46,794 --> 01:10:47,898 You just love the microphone. 1170 01:10:47,933 --> 01:10:51,247 ♪ If I knew If I knew 1171 01:10:51,281 --> 01:10:54,905 ♪ Yes I could If I knew ♪ 1172 01:10:55,285 --> 01:10:57,839 [laughter] 1173 01:10:57,874 --> 01:11:01,153 [Johnny] I want to give it, but you don't want it. 1174 01:11:01,187 --> 01:11:04,190 I don't know what to do about it 1175 01:11:04,225 --> 01:11:06,848 But I will do it anyway. 1176 01:11:08,540 --> 01:11:10,680 Oh, I would die before we get home. 1177 01:11:11,059 --> 01:11:12,440 [laughter] 1178 01:11:16,651 --> 01:11:18,032 Oh crap. 1179 01:11:19,136 --> 01:11:21,138 ok, here we go. 1180 01:11:21,173 --> 01:11:22,312 [Paul] You got that, right? 1181 01:11:22,347 --> 01:11:24,487 I love Georgia. 1182 01:11:24,521 --> 01:11:26,592 I love everything at this moment. 1183 01:11:27,179 --> 01:11:29,077 [laughter] 1184 01:11:29,112 --> 01:11:31,804 ♪ My name is Georgia 1185 01:11:34,359 --> 01:11:36,844 ♪ Georgia 1186 01:11:38,501 --> 01:11:42,367 ♪ A song of yours A song of yours 1187 01:11:44,334 --> 01:11:47,786 ♪ Just an old sweet song 1188 01:11:48,718 --> 01:11:55,380 ♪ Holds Georgia In my mind 1189 01:11:55,414 --> 01:11:58,383 ♪ In my mind 1190 01:11:58,417 --> 01:12:01,558 ♪ Wow, Georgia 1191 01:12:02,904 --> 01:12:06,632 ♪ Wow, Georgia 1192 01:12:08,565 --> 01:12:12,569 ♪ All day long 1193 01:12:14,260 --> 01:12:17,816 ♪ Just oh so sweet and clear 1194 01:12:18,886 --> 01:12:23,649 ♪ Like the moonlight Through the pines 1195 01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:26,376 Yes, he understood. 1196 01:12:26,411 --> 01:12:31,105 ♪ Wow, Georgia 1197 01:12:33,797 --> 01:12:37,318 ♪ Georgia 1198 01:12:37,353 --> 01:12:40,425 ♪ No, no peace 1199 01:12:40,459 --> 01:12:42,185 ♪ I can't find peace 1200 01:12:42,219 --> 01:12:43,462 [laughing heartily] 1201 01:12:44,429 --> 01:12:47,432 ♪ Just an old sweet song 1202 01:12:48,433 --> 01:12:55,025 ♪ Holds Georgia In my mind 1203 01:12:56,441 --> 01:12:58,477 ♪ Georgia on my mind 1204 01:12:59,271 --> 01:13:00,790 [cheers] 1205 01:13:04,172 --> 01:13:05,381 Yes! 1206 01:13:07,348 --> 01:13:08,763 Yes, I'm fine. 1207 01:13:10,178 --> 01:13:11,801 I am very well. 1208 01:13:12,284 --> 01:13:14,320 [laughs] 1209 01:13:14,355 --> 01:13:15,494 [Paul] What did you say? 1210 01:13:15,529 --> 01:13:17,910 [Johnny] I said I really am damn good! 1211 01:13:18,290 --> 01:13:19,705 [laughter] 1212 01:13:20,430 --> 01:13:22,087 Oh, man. 1213 01:13:34,271 --> 01:13:35,963 - Are you ready? -Yes. 1214 01:13:35,997 --> 01:13:37,413 [blues playing] 1215 01:13:47,181 --> 01:13:48,596 It's ready to go, right? 1216 01:13:49,252 --> 01:13:51,047 [talking together] 1217 01:13:58,503 --> 01:14:01,298 Damn, I thought we were ready to play. 1218 01:14:01,333 --> 01:14:03,473 Why the hell? did i get ready 1219 01:14:03,508 --> 01:14:06,165 - It will be late for half an hour. - Oh, no. 1220 01:14:10,756 --> 01:14:14,588 It will take 15-20 minutes before we play probably. 1221 01:14:17,107 --> 01:14:21,146 Paul said five or ten minutes. Five minutes have already passed. 1222 01:14:21,180 --> 01:14:23,597 Just a fucking game, my God! 1223 01:14:23,631 --> 01:14:26,082 It has already been done three or four minutes. 1224 01:14:26,116 --> 01:14:29,534 Well, it's been 10 minutes, and we still are i don't play 1225 01:14:30,535 --> 01:14:33,192 What the hell are we waiting? God! 1226 01:14:33,227 --> 01:14:36,230 I'm talking about probably it can be closed if we had five minutes. 1227 01:14:36,264 --> 01:14:37,887 [Ansgar] Why don't you just enjoy yourself? 1228 01:14:37,921 --> 01:14:40,924 Because I can't. I don't enjoy it you just sit here. 1229 01:14:42,029 --> 01:14:44,272 What is there to enjoy even fucking? 1230 01:14:44,859 --> 01:14:45,860 Nothing. 1231 01:14:47,379 --> 01:14:49,346 I've always had anger issues. 1232 01:14:49,381 --> 01:14:50,624 [Nicolas] Since when? 1233 01:14:50,658 --> 01:14:52,557 Since I don't remember. 1234 01:14:52,591 --> 01:14:56,699 Well, give me an idea how early do you remember 1235 01:14:56,733 --> 01:15:00,012 Well, someone would fuck with me approx being different. 1236 01:15:02,014 --> 01:15:03,050 Yes; 1237 01:15:04,569 --> 01:15:06,743 i get very angry 1238 01:15:06,778 --> 01:15:09,539 Which was the oldest? time you remember is someone fucking with you? 1239 01:15:09,574 --> 01:15:11,610 Well, a lot different seasons. 1240 01:15:11,645 --> 01:15:13,681 He said, “Why do you look so weird?" 1241 01:15:13,716 --> 01:15:16,097 "What's wrong with you?" 1242 01:15:16,132 --> 01:15:18,790 “Because I can't help it. I don't know." 1243 01:15:18,824 --> 01:15:20,861 you think there is nothing your mistake now? 1244 01:15:20,895 --> 01:15:21,965 Nope. 1245 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,174 Well, my OCD, which is not good. 1246 01:15:24,209 --> 01:15:26,038 i wish I didn't have it. 1247 01:15:26,073 --> 01:15:28,385 You used to wish you didn't have other things? 1248 01:15:28,420 --> 01:15:29,594 Nope. 1249 01:15:30,249 --> 01:15:31,527 Nope. 1250 01:15:31,561 --> 01:15:34,564 No, I never wanted to they look like everyone else. 1251 01:15:34,599 --> 01:15:37,049 I was completely pleased with this. 1252 01:15:37,084 --> 01:15:39,845 [Paul] It was pretty direct when the drugs wore off. 1253 01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,641 Why drugs? were definitely used to cover this problem. 1254 01:15:42,676 --> 01:15:45,161 And the finger twists he was the first to start. 1255 01:15:45,195 --> 01:15:47,750 These little rituals started happening and then... 1256 01:15:47,784 --> 01:15:49,683 you know, water bottle stuff, 1257 01:15:49,717 --> 01:15:52,755 or sync, or download very nervous and anxious. 1258 01:15:52,789 --> 01:15:54,584 So I'm like, "Something's going on here." 1259 01:15:54,619 --> 01:15:57,276 Chug, chog, chog... 1260 01:15:57,311 --> 01:15:59,278 When he had his watch on, would sip look at his watch 1261 01:15:59,313 --> 01:16:01,626 sip, look at the clock. Every 10 seconds. 1262 01:16:01,660 --> 01:16:05,975 Sip, sip, sip... Because some doctor said he was dehydrated or something. 1263 01:16:06,009 --> 01:16:11,083 So, it's actually good to stay hydrated, but he took it to extremes. 1264 01:16:11,843 --> 01:16:13,396 I have to take a new bottle. 1265 01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:16,192 we would notice that he would drink it half with sips, 1266 01:16:16,226 --> 01:16:20,058 and then after half way, he should finish it by the time he gets a new one. 1267 01:16:20,092 --> 01:16:21,715 So, I made a plan. 1268 01:16:21,749 --> 01:16:25,132 “Okay, if he can't watch the level drop, let's put some duct tape 1269 01:16:25,166 --> 01:16:27,997 and then it will relax and be able to focus to other things. 1270 01:16:28,031 --> 01:16:30,482 And we had broken another chain of things. 1271 01:16:30,516 --> 01:16:35,763 After the timing stuff. Like, we have to be there, yes our hotel destination at 2:00. 1272 01:16:35,798 --> 01:16:37,869 2:00, 2:00, 2:00. 1273 01:16:37,903 --> 01:16:40,906 And then things like if you got there at 1:59, 1274 01:16:41,458 --> 01:16:42,598 you lied 1275 01:16:44,807 --> 01:16:47,119 The time is about 11:45. 1276 01:16:47,154 --> 01:16:48,949 Now, to his credit, 1277 01:16:48,983 --> 01:16:51,503 a lot of people have some form of it. 1278 01:16:51,537 --> 01:16:55,093 Especially the people who are successful, because it is what drives you. 1279 01:16:56,681 --> 01:16:58,821 So, it's a good thing or a bad thing? 1280 01:16:58,855 --> 01:17:00,995 So, I mean, you know, many said, 1281 01:17:01,030 --> 01:17:03,101 if you take heroin, it makes you best musician 1282 01:17:03,135 --> 01:17:06,311 Miles Davis and all, they experimented with it and they became great. 1283 01:17:06,345 --> 01:17:08,106 What happened next? 1284 01:17:08,140 --> 01:17:10,039 [interviewer] How that OCD fits into your life? 1285 01:17:10,073 --> 01:17:12,973 Well, it's just a problem I have to get busy. 1286 01:17:13,007 --> 01:17:18,116 They say drugs can help to cause it. 1287 01:17:18,150 --> 01:17:20,843 Then you get off the drugs and you start to hallucinate. 1288 01:17:20,877 --> 01:17:22,879 [interviewer] You know when does this happen? 1289 01:17:22,914 --> 01:17:24,432 Yes. 1290 01:17:24,467 --> 01:17:26,572 [interviewer] But it's not something you can control or would you say... 1291 01:17:26,607 --> 01:17:28,126 I'm trying to check it. 1292 01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:29,610 Yes. 1293 01:17:29,645 --> 01:17:30,922 I don't know if I'm getting better at it, 1294 01:17:30,956 --> 01:17:34,166 but i still have fears pisses people off. 1295 01:17:37,204 --> 01:17:40,103 [interviewer] That's okay however. you are a rock star right? 1296 01:17:40,138 --> 01:17:43,003 [David Letterman] Our next guest he is a legendary guitarist, 1297 01:17:43,037 --> 01:17:45,384 of which the most recent Grammy nominated album 1298 01:17:45,419 --> 01:17:49,319 pays homage to the great blues players of the last century. 1299 01:17:49,354 --> 01:17:51,667 Welcome Johnny Winter. 1300 01:17:51,701 --> 01:17:53,082 [applause] 1301 01:17:53,116 --> 01:17:57,327 One, two... One, two, three, four. 1302 01:17:57,362 --> 01:17:59,778 [Dust My Broomplaying] 1303 01:18:18,624 --> 01:18:20,143 ♪ 1304 01:18:32,673 --> 01:18:34,468 [Jay Shillman] In 1988, 1305 01:18:34,502 --> 01:18:40,094 the Blues Foundation introduced Johnny Winter in the Blues Hall of Fame. 1306 01:18:40,129 --> 01:18:42,027 [cheers] 1307 01:18:42,062 --> 01:18:44,512 Now, neither does Johnny neither does the Blues Foundation 1308 01:18:44,547 --> 01:18:48,068 know exactly where one of us was at the time. 1309 01:18:48,102 --> 01:18:52,900 It is a great pleasure, great price, and great respect 1310 01:18:52,935 --> 01:18:55,558 to introduce you Johnny, 1311 01:18:55,592 --> 01:18:59,355 the plaque, since 1988, 1312 01:19:00,632 --> 01:19:03,497 inducting you into the Blues Hall of Fame. 1313 01:19:03,531 --> 01:19:05,085 [cheers] 1314 01:19:06,189 --> 01:19:08,467 [ Dust My Broom continues to play] 1315 01:19:35,253 --> 01:19:36,737 Almighty God! 1316 01:19:36,772 --> 01:19:38,049 Thank you! 1317 01:19:38,083 --> 01:19:38,946 Amazing success! 1318 01:19:38,981 --> 01:19:41,466 This was fantastic. Very nice. 1319 01:19:41,500 --> 01:19:42,881 Johnny, good to see you. 1320 01:19:42,916 --> 01:19:45,159 you know, here's what we will do. 1321 01:19:45,194 --> 01:19:46,920 - Paul, get us a van. -Well. 1322 01:19:46,954 --> 01:19:49,785 And I will take some cheap speed... 1323 01:19:49,819 --> 01:19:51,165 Right. 1324 01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:52,235 [laughter] 1325 01:19:52,270 --> 01:19:54,617 - Some coffee and some donuts... - Yes. 1326 01:19:54,651 --> 01:19:56,308 And we will you drive all night. 1327 01:19:56,343 --> 01:19:57,378 what do you say 1328 01:19:57,413 --> 01:19:59,311 God, let's do it! 1329 01:19:59,346 --> 01:20:01,831 Thank you very much, and good night everyone. 1330 01:20:03,833 --> 01:20:05,939 Just to get a trailer, and some cheap speed, 1331 01:20:05,973 --> 01:20:08,665 and donuts, and drive all night. 1332 01:20:08,700 --> 01:20:10,840 I heard the donuts and drive all night part. 1333 01:20:12,497 --> 01:20:15,603 The last thing I would do it is to pick up any speed. 1334 01:20:19,884 --> 01:20:21,333 Maybe heroin. 1335 01:20:21,368 --> 01:20:22,921 Okay, okay. 1336 01:20:23,577 --> 01:20:24,958 No speed. 1337 01:20:26,856 --> 01:20:33,759 [Edgar] I think Johnny, now, it's really coming back to be himself. 1338 01:20:33,794 --> 01:20:35,831 I have to watch it again. 1339 01:20:35,865 --> 01:20:37,349 This is so good. 1340 01:20:38,523 --> 01:20:40,421 [Paul] 1988, you finally get it. 1341 01:20:41,457 --> 01:20:42,527 About the time. 1342 01:20:43,459 --> 01:20:46,255 Wow, this is so cool. 1343 01:20:46,289 --> 01:20:50,052 [Edgar] I hope he is going to find happiness and fulfillment 1344 01:20:50,086 --> 01:20:52,192 in his personal life. 1345 01:20:52,226 --> 01:20:54,159 And to be able to continue to play the music 1346 01:20:54,194 --> 01:20:57,749 who loves and always has he cared 1347 01:20:57,783 --> 01:21:03,375 And always remained faithful you know throughout his career. 1348 01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:04,963 1988. 1349 01:21:09,140 --> 01:21:12,281 I had tears in my eyes, I really did. 1350 01:21:12,315 --> 01:21:14,490 Man, I love this. 1351 01:21:17,113 --> 01:21:19,357 Take a picture of it. 1352 01:21:19,391 --> 01:21:21,186 You want take a picture of it or what? 1353 01:21:21,221 --> 01:21:22,912 Hold it up and smile bro. 1354 01:21:23,706 --> 01:21:25,225 Oh, I'm smiling. 1355 01:21:26,088 --> 01:21:27,675 I smile just fine. 1356 01:21:30,575 --> 01:21:32,853 [interviewer] You are approaching 70 years, right? 1357 01:21:32,888 --> 01:21:34,372 [Johnny] Yes. 1358 01:21:34,406 --> 01:21:35,994 [interviewer] How long did you do this Like literally, 1359 01:21:36,029 --> 01:21:37,651 playing music and travel... 1360 01:21:37,685 --> 01:21:39,273 Since I was 15. 1361 01:21:40,688 --> 01:21:43,829 It started playing and I made my first record when i was 15 1362 01:21:43,864 --> 01:21:46,936 He started playing in clubs when i was 15 1363 01:21:46,971 --> 01:21:49,594 He started drinking and smoking when i was 15 1364 01:21:50,802 --> 01:21:52,873 Sex at 15. 1365 01:21:52,908 --> 01:21:55,876 Fifteen was a big year for me. [laughs] 1366 01:21:55,911 --> 01:22:00,398 But it was fun. I wouldn't take anything back except for heroin. 1367 01:22:00,432 --> 01:22:02,918 I wouldn't do that if i had to do it over again. 1368 01:22:02,952 --> 01:22:04,712 But... 1369 01:22:04,747 --> 01:22:09,269 All the booze and sex, I wouldn't take it back. [laughs] 1370 01:22:09,303 --> 01:22:12,582 I wanted to to do so since then I was like 12 years old, 1371 01:22:12,617 --> 01:22:13,929 I was pretty sure... 1372 01:22:13,963 --> 01:22:15,585 That's what I wanted to do. 1373 01:22:17,553 --> 01:22:20,521 I never wanted to anything else. I had no plan B. 1374 01:22:20,556 --> 01:22:23,283 “If I don't make it in music, then I'll do that." 1375 01:22:23,317 --> 01:22:26,148 i knew I always knew I would make it in music. 1376 01:22:27,770 --> 01:22:30,566 I was just sure about it. 1377 01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,328 [interviewer] You think that makes you lucky did you know what you wanted to do? 1378 01:22:34,363 --> 01:22:35,605 Ah, very lucky. 1379 01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:39,299 I had one of the best lives anyone could ever have. 1380 01:22:39,333 --> 01:22:42,543 I made it exactly what I wanted to do. 1381 01:22:42,578 --> 01:22:45,581 Get paid for it and have people love me for it 1382 01:22:45,615 --> 01:22:48,239 It's wonderful. It was a wonderful life. 1383 01:22:48,273 --> 01:22:50,275 [interviewee] What do you think of your life? it would be like 1384 01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:51,587 was there no heroin? 1385 01:22:51,621 --> 01:22:55,522 It would be better. Sure, it was better. 1386 01:22:55,556 --> 01:22:58,732 I had to try it, however. there was all this mystery and 1387 01:22:59,802 --> 01:23:01,493 Janis Joplin said that, 1388 01:23:01,528 --> 01:23:04,876 “Whatever makes you fell so well it can't all be bad." 1389 01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:06,153 He was wrong. 1390 01:23:06,188 --> 01:23:07,775 It can be that bad. 1391 01:23:07,810 --> 01:23:09,605 It's a terrible drug. 1392 01:23:09,639 --> 01:23:11,710 [interviewee] Because people should see this movie? 1393 01:23:11,745 --> 01:23:14,541 i have passed a lot of shit. [laughs] 1394 01:23:14,575 --> 01:23:18,338 You know, it's interesting, all these life stories for people who... 1395 01:23:19,339 --> 01:23:22,583 He drank and had drug problems and... 1396 01:23:22,618 --> 01:23:27,071 Women's issues. It's just interesting. 1397 01:23:27,105 --> 01:23:29,038 [interviewee] And usually these doesn't end well. 1398 01:23:29,073 --> 01:23:31,282 Yes, but mine does. [laughs] 1399 01:23:31,316 --> 01:23:33,594 One, two... One, two, three. 1400 01:23:40,325 --> 01:23:43,501 [Highway 61 Review]